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« on: June 10, 2011, 03:56:37 AM »

At last I could see the paper of Pichler et alii “Drawing the history
of the Hutterite population on a genetic landscape: inference from
Y-chromosome and mtDNA genotypes”, EJHG (2010),18, 463-470, having
become for free.
We knew the abstract and the haplotypes published, but now I can say
something more careful.
The paper has investigated the Hutterites’ haplogroups, who came from
South Tyrol but wandered in Central and Eastern Europe. Which is the
ideology of Fraülein Pichler? To investigate which haplogroups come
from South Tyrol or are due to an introgression from those last
places. It is understood that what hasn’t come from there is South
Tyroler, then German.
I could have been in silence, but it so happens that two of the most
important haplotypes found (mt H* and K1a1b1) are also mine: mother
(K1a1b1) and paternal grandmother (H*).
Perhaps if Fraülein Pichler had investigated, beyond Central and
Eastern Europe, my Tuscany, would have found that those (and other)
haplotypes aren’t German in origin, but come from that Italian
refugium by me theorized, that of Camuns Rhaetians Etruscans, who were
probably the original peoples of Italy. Germans came out from the
Refugium with Celtic Italic peoples to Central Europe, I think before
LBK (they were LBK), and after they returned to South in more recent
The massive presence of K1a, with high variance, the most ancient H*
(my paternal grandmother Italia Cheli (1894-1959) 100% Tuscan, tested
through my cousin Monica De Conti by 23andMe, has, even though by the
only 3000 SNPs tested and not by an FGS, the mutations of the coding
region 5460A, 10124C, 15617A), the Y R1a* (probably M420) I just
signaled  from the previous paper of Pichler et alii (Genetic
structure in contemporary south Tyrolean isolated populations revealed
by analysis of Y-chromosome, mtDNA, and Alu polymorphisms, Hum Biol
2006, 78, 441-464), the hg. E(xE3a). There is also an E3a (ST 103), that found also in Mr Gabennesch (I have written many letters to him and to many forums), apparently from African origin at the time of the Roman Empire, but I don’t exclude a
more ancient origin. That those Africans liked of Italy only those
snowy mountains is a little believable and those haplotypes of E(xE3a), using the
MR of Pichler of 0,00066 (lower than the Zhiv one), have a MRCA about
8500 years ago. It would be interesting to test these E-s for the last SNPs found by Fulvio Cruciani & colleagues.
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YDNA: R-Z2110

MtDNA: K1a1b1e

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