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Mike Walsh
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« on: January 04, 2010, 06:28:44 PM »

Has any Irish Type IV/Continental (Ken Nordtvedt) (aka South Irish by Tim Desmond) folks tested for the new SNP's?   I can't find any that have.  There are a few people in the R-L21 Plus project who appear to be Irish Type IV and they haven't tested.  I think there is an outside chance we might find L193+ in Type IV.

L193 is found in the 11-13 Combo A group.  I found a cross-over guy who could be in either the 11-13 Combo group or in Irish Type IV.

I found a high frequency of 406s1=11  (half of the 11-13) in Irish Type IV.  I also found repeating surnames in both Type IV and 11-13.   Perhaps (if these things are really clades) 406s1 mutated to 11 within a clade that was to spawn Type IV.  Later, the pre-Irish IV 406s=11 guy picked up the 617=13 mutation and started the 11-13 Combo group.  .. just a speculation, but both groups have "continental" connections.

Irish Type IV notes....

Ken Nordtvedt, "The variety has a decent continental pedigree representation in Ysearch and SMGF. Are their historical or quasi-historical stories of a continental people who went more or less directly to Ireland, leaving few along the way in England."

Dennis Wright - "R1b-Ir/Cont..Found all over Ireland and on the Western Continent-possible invader marker of English/Norman origin?"
http://dna-forums.com/index.php?/topic/3133-cheat-sheet-for-r1b-irish-haplogroups/

Colin Ferguson - "This table shows a list of persons who would be expected to fall within the clade:  http://tinyurl.com/Driscoll-Cork/DNA/Hap/R1b/Ir_Cont_YSearch.htm    As you can see the origins listed include Ireland and Continetal Europe hence the name Ir/Cont."
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/IRISH-DNA/2009-10/1254686063

Tim Desmond - "my own best guess is that they are the descendants of English invaders/settlers who came to southern Ireland many, many centuries ago"
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/genealogy-dna/2006-06/1151020432

http://mysite.verizon.net/timdesmond/files/dna_southirish.htm
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2010, 07:33:18 PM »

Colin Ferguson - "This table shows a list of persons who would be expected to fall within the clade:  http://tinyurl.com/Driscoll-Cork/DNA/Hap/R1b/Ir_Cont_YSearch.htm
Rich, this web link has some good L21+ prospects from the continent.  Three guys from France and six from Germany, and one each from Hungary and Italy.  If Irish IV is L21+ like it looks, these guys may all be L21+.
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