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Craig H. Bird
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My name is Craig Bird and I believe that Elisha Elias Bird is my oldest known ancestor. There appears to be confusion and disagreement of his possible parentage and I want to explore possibilities with other members to see if we can resolve this riddle.

Judy Pisano contends that Elisha’s father is NOT Andrew Bird, because of child naming conventions and that they never lived in the same location. Use this link for details: http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/bird/4268/ 

Sherry Johnson, who is DNA tested to Andrew Bird (1673-1723) and Marie Brokaw/Bragaw/Broucard contends that Hannah Dyment/Dimont did not marry Andrew Bird. Her husband's name was James as shown by a court record of their indiscretion. (Records: Town of East-Hampton; pg 369; abt 1673/4) Also see Vol. I. Records of the Town of East-Hampton, L.I. pg. 1_b369.
Marie would be about 20 years or age at this point, so that fits.

Note: There is a Hannah Dimend/Deming/Diament (1654-1684) (m. James Bird) and a Hannah James (1648-1705) (m. James Diament)

Question: Who is James Bird, husband of Hannah Dimend/Deming/Diament?

Chronology of Research:

Records of the Town of East Hampton, Long Island, Suffolk Co., N.Y., with Other Ancient Documents of Historic Value, Sag-Harbor: J.H. Hunt, printer, 1887-1927, v. 1, p. 369.
Loose Leaf S-39. --Att a Court held at Easthampton (Month gone but probably June) 13: 1673. --(Defaced)
John or Nathll willys John Allyn John Howell John Mulford.

James Bird and Hannah his wife beinge Convicted by their owne Confession for in contynencie before Marriage: were adjudged to pay a fine of forty shillings to the publick Tresurie.
http://interactive.ancestry.com/23312/dvm_PrimSrc000337-00197-1/382?backurl=https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/21781227/person/1140574867/facts


Records of the town of East-Hampton, Long Island, Suffolk Co., N.Y.
Vol. I. Records of the Town of East-Hampton, L.I.

Book A, page 59 ½ – Whereas there is a contract of marriage to be in Convenient time Consumated betwene my Eldest sonne James Diament and Hannah ye Daughter of Mr. Thomas James…bequeath unto my sonn James Diament to have and enjoy after mine & my beloved wives (sic) decease as ffolloweth viz My now dwelling house…as witness My Hand & Seale this 21th Day of August 1677.
Signed Sealed in presence of
   Josiah Hobbart
   Perigrine Stanbrough

The truth of what is above written was acknowledged by Thomas Diament senir Aprill the twentie seaventh 1682 before mee
   JOHN TOPPING – Justice

Vol. I. Records of the Town of East-Hampton, L.I.

October 2th 1677
Book O, page 9. – At a Towne metinge it is agreede by a Maior voate yt Edward Jones have a small psell of land given & graunted to him contayning about six ackers more or lesse which land being alreadie laid out norward of the high way yt goeth ye little plaine & bounded Southward by a psell of land which have bene by report given vnto James Burd: alsoe bounded Eastward & Norward by ye Comon & running farther westward yn James Burds land & soe bounded westward by ye Comon land & ye high way yt goeth toward the little playne: which land being thus bound is given & graunted by The Towne of Easthampton unto the aforesaid Edward Jones his heires or assignes for ever.

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Records of the town of East-Hampton, Long Island, Suffolk Co., N.Y.
Vol. II. Records of the Town of East-Hampton, L.I.

Book 4, page 3 (pg 113 of transcription) – Memorand and Counstable & oberseers agree wits James Bird to Looke after the boys at Meeting for one whole yeare for fifteen shillings he began the 25 day of June 1682.

Also beginning on the same page is the following:
Book A, page 60 ½ (pg 113 of transcription) (28 July 1682) – This deede of gift by me Thomas Diament senr of Easthampton in New Yorksire upon Long Island to my sonne James Diament…my wife Mary…my sonne James executor of my whole estate…my daughter Sarah Headly of New Jersey…my daughter Abigaill…my daughter Hanah Burd forty shillings in Comon pay…my daughter Elizabeth Miller…grandchild Mary, daughter of my sonn James…

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1689
Vol. II. Records of the Town of East-Hampton, L.I.
Book 2. Page 137. – William Edwards his marke is both sides of the right eare cutt and cropt of in the same.
   John Evans…
   Benjamin Price…
   James Burd his marke is Cropt in both eares & a hapeny on ye hinder side of both eares.
   John Osborne
   Widdow Bishop

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May ye firs 1691
Book 4. Page 26. – James Bird was Appointed pounder for ye west plains of Easthampton.
   The abov sd ffor as Much as dayly Complaints do arise by Reason of great Damages having bin from time to time don in ye gennerall or fields belonging to this town supposed princiapally by Reason of severall psons pasturing their Cattil in such pretended Inclosurs with ye sd Cattill May break out of those sd Inclosurs and do dammage in ye sd gennerall field as often as they have don from time to time and bin Covertly  taken from thenc again by ye owner thereof or sumother person so yt ye person dammified is left thereby out of releef for such damages don him.
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Vol. II. Records of the Town of East-Hampton, L.I.         2_b276
EASTHAMPTON Aprill ye 26th 1692
Book 4. Page 130. – These presente witneseth yt James Bird & Robert Kedee haveing takin to their caere: as keepers of the towne flock or flockes of sheep belonging to this Town: do both of them Ingage Cearfuly to keep the sd sheep them selves for this year onward until 25th of December next Incuing the date heer of where and at the appointment of the trustees and for their Reward for so Cearfully keeping the sd sheep they are to have six penc for each head so keppt rames excepted: but in cease the sd sheep be ordered to go to two flockes at Meantack their hire is to be seven penc pr head as above sd also the above said sheep keepers doe Ingage to secure ye sd sheep from doing dammage to Indian fields also if any dammage Com to the said flocke or any peart of them throw their neglectof duety as keepers of faithful sheep heards they are to Make good to the persons so dammified: out of the above sd waiges which waiges is to be paid as pases from man to man To the true performanc herof we the sd sheperds have heer unto subscribed our names ye day and year first above written

            James Bird
            Robert Kedee

Robert Kedee kept the sheep 4 weekes and 2 dayes befor James went out


Vol. II. Records of the Town of East-Hampton, L.I.         2_b285

Be it Known unto all Men by these presents that I James Bird of Easthampton in ye County of Suffolk and province of New York have and do my these presents fully and Absolutly assigne this written deed of sale with ye whole Contents therof Into ye possesion of Capt John Wheler to him his heires or assignes for ever as witnes my hand this twenty fifth day of October 1694
         James Bird
Signed and Delivered in ye presents of us witneses
   Thomas Chatfield
   John Wheeler Junior
   The above written is a true Coppy Extracted out of ye Originall deed and Compared with pr Mee
         CORNELIUS CONKLING
            Town Clark
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Records of the town of East-Hampton, Long Island, Suffolk Co., N.Y.; Vol. II. Index
Saml. Brooks to Jas. Bird….284

Records of the town of East-Hampton, Long Island, Suffolk Co., N.Y.;
Vol. V. Records of the town of East-Hampton, N. Y.

1705-6
Jan 17. Joseph More, Junr. of Bridgehampton & Hannah Diament of East

1706-7
Jan 14. Thomas Diament & Hannah Penny. Sometime belonging to Bristol.
Sept 25. Mr. James Diament & Elizabeth Davis


Possible James Bird/Burd Ancestor in lieu of Andrew Bird and possible husband of Hannah Dimend/Deming/Diament

James Burd, son of James Burd – Baptized 19 July, 1650
Wimborne Minster, Dorset, England

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Name:   James Burd
Gender:   Male
Baptism Date:   4 Sep 1648
Baptism Place:   South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
Father:   Jhone Burd

Mother:   Isobell Walker

FHL Film Number:   1067770
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Name:   James Burd
Gender:   Male
Baptism Date:   9 Dec 1649
Baptism Place:   Culross,Perth,Scotland
Father:   Edward Burd

FHL Film Number:   1040076
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Name:   James Burd
Gender:   Male
Baptism Date:   12 Apr 1657
Baptism Place:   Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Father:   Robert Burd

FHL Film Number:   1066636, 1066636, 0102993
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Name:   James Burde
Baptism Date:   25 May 1656
Parish:   St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
County:   Middlesex
Borough:   Tower Hamlets
Parent(s):   Reignold Burde,
Mary Burde
Record Type:   Christening
Register Type:   Parish Register
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Historical Background:

Records of the town of East-Hampton, Long Island, Suffolk Co., N.Y.
Vol. II. Front matter


Introduction:
“The close of King Phillip’s war had removed all dangers from the Indians…The Patent of March 13th, 1666, from Gov. Nicolls, was thought to have assured their title to the purchased territory, beyond cavil” (Note: Cavil - petty or unnecessary objections)

“The state of the Church, Oct 5, 1704…In Suffolk County, in the east end of Long Island, there is neither a church of England, minister, nor provision made one by law; the people generally being independents, and upheld in their separation by New England emissaries.”  Note: this caused many problems with the English governors.

“The conflict between our Puritan forefathers and these governors was long, unequal, and often resulted unfavorably on the people.”
   “But freedoms battle once begun,
   Bequeathed from bleeding son to sire,
   Though baffled is often won.”
Note: this quote was taken from Loryd Byron (1788-1824) Fallen Greece. http://www.bartleby.com/360/8/70.html

“In 1683 the Governor was instructed to call a General Assembly of freeholders, by persons whom they should choose to represent them. In October, 1864, the assemble met and claimed in a bill of rights as Englishmen, that ‘Every freeholder and Freeman should vote. Trial by Jury.’ No tax to be levied but by consent of the assembly,’ etc.”
Note: every student of U.S. history knows that didn’t go over well with English government. The Govenor’s representatives sued colonists for libel and even Preachers for sedition.

“Nov. 18, 1686, Sheriff Hobart attested under oath to the text and the teaching of the sermon. The same day an order in council was entered that a warrant issue on Minister James on the ground that the sermon was seditious…A warrant for his arrest was issued Nov. 19, 1686. He was arrested…petitioned the Governor for his release, reciting this as ‘the first tyme (for almost forty years of my being a minister of the Gospel) that I have been called to account by any authority I have lived under.”


From the “Magazine of American History” April 1883, article entitled, “Montauk and the Common Lands of East-Hampton” by Prof. John Franklin Jameson, of John Hopkins Univ. With much learning the improvement of lands in common here is sought to be traced back to New and Old England and the Germanic races who ‘Migrated to Britain.
   The circumstances for such improvement; the location of the village settlement, the common interest and convenience of the people, and their general honesty all tended to make this experiment successful and lasting. But the infirmities of human nature come to the front in every age – in every race. The boys in meeting were sometimes unruly and required ‘looking after’ by James Bird. (See page 113.) The owners of these lands seem to have required ‘looking after’ in matters of fencing and common improvement. Very stringent rules were enacted…Severe penalties were imposed…Fences were subject to the stern censorship of inspectors…Delinquents were first exposed by the initial letters cut on the fence – (p. 234).

“In 1682 we find a charge of L26 13s. 00d ‘to ye Carptr yt makes the gallery for the church,’…I find no positive record evidence locating the fort. I think it probable it was near the church, if it did not enclose it. There the men carried their arms on Sabbath at their meeting. That was the central rallying point when the New England settlements were assailed by Indians and a central point in East-Hampton. (see pages 32 and 54, Vol II).”


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