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« on: April 27, 2014, 04:45:16 PM »

About hg. R-L51 I wrote many posts in a long thread on Anthrogenica by examining the Smith/Schumacher results. My hypothesis was that R-L51 is fundamentally divided in two clusters:
R-CTS6889+ (from Switzerland to the Isles) which would be the most recent one, and
R-CTS6889- (from Tuscany to Ireland) and would be the ancestral one and that I explained as due to the migration from Tuscany/Italy to Iberia and after to Ireland 7500 years ago by sea as to what Zilhao demonstrated. I spoke about the two samples of Brewerton/Brereton of an "Irish cluster".
Now Holcombe has published a tree of R-L51 (http://www.geneticousins.com/L51xL11/SNP Tree.pdf) where with the two Brewerton/Brereton and the two Tuscans of the 1KGP there is N51805 (Tennessee, actually his state, the surname is Arwine/Arnwine/Erwin). I ask Holcombe which elements the project at FTDNA (Clan Irwin Surname DNA Study - Y-DNA Classic Chart) has to say that this family is from Germany/Netherlands? 
Their haplotype, with DYS572=10, was just what I linked to the "Irish cluster".This I wrote on Anthrogenica:

"These other three haplotypes are probably linked for having DYS572=10:
N51805 Grainger Co., Tennessee Unknown Origin R1b1a2a1a
13 25 14 11 11-14 13 12 11 13 13 30 15 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 29 15-15-17-21 12 10 19-23 15 15 18 17 36-37 12 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23-23 16 10 12 12 15 8 12 21 20 13 12 11 13 10 11 12 12 111988 John Collins, b. Northampton Co., Va; d. 1824 Unknown Origin R1b1a2a1a
13 25 14 11 11-14 13 12 12 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 24 15 19 30 15-15-16-18 11 11 19-23 15 17 17 17 36-38 12 12 11 9 16-16 8 10 10 8 11 10 12 23-23 16 10 12 12 16 8 13 22 20 12 12 10 13 10 11 12 12 134706 Shadrack Collins, Sr. b.c. 1750, Ireland Ireland R1b1a2a1a
13 25 14 11 11-14 13 12 13 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 24 15 19 30 15-15-16-18 11 11 19-23 15 17 17 17 36-37 12 12 11 9 16-16 8 10 10 8 11 10 12 23-23 16 10 12 12 16 8 13 22 20 12 12 10 13 10 11 12 12
It is supposable that they belong to that ancient nucleus of Irish L51 I discussed about the map of Richard Rocca".

We are waiting for other results, but it seems to me that these data don't disprove my hypothesis.
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