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« on: November 16, 2013, 07:06:40 AM »

257842    Helmut Bork 1931 - 1983 Darmstadt, Germany    Germany    R1b1a2a1    
12    24    14    10    11-14    12    12    13    13    13    29    17    9-10    11    11    26    15    19    30    14-15-16-17    10    12    18-23    15    17    19    16    35-39    12    12    11    9    15-16    8    10    10    8    10    11    12    23-23    16    10    13    12    15    8    12    23    20    13    12    11    13    11    12    12    12    33    15    9    16    12    26    25    19    13    11    12    12    10    9    11    12    10    11    11    30    12    13    23    15    10    11    21    15    19    13    24    17    13    15    24    12    24    18    10    14    17    9    11    11

H1614    Antonio del Badia (1449-?) Castelfiorentino (Firen    Italy    R1b1a2
12    24    15    10    11-14    12    12    12    13    12    29    16    9-10    11    11    24    15    19    29    14-14-16-17    10    11    19-23    16    15    19    17    36-37    12    12    11    9    15-16    8    10    10    8    10    11    12    23-24    16    10    12    12    16    8    12    22    21    13    12    11    13    11    11    12    12    32    15    9    16    11    25    26    19    12    11    13    12    10    9    12    11    10    11    11    30    12    14    24    14    10    9    20    15    19    14    23    18    12    15    24    12    23    18    10    14    18    9    11    11

It is clear also at a first glance that these haplotypes are very close, in spite of mutations also in slow mutating markers: they belong to the same cluster. By calculating as to the usual method, they could get a MRCA about 2200 years ago. What does link a German of Darmstadt and a Tuscan? I put, amongst the hypotheses about my ancient origin, also a German one (beside an ancient Italian, an Etruscan etc.), seen also that my oldest ancestors from the 14th century had frequently the name Bernardo/Bernardino, clearly of German origin. But by searching the Bork’s haplotype on YHRD, these are my findings:

1   14   13   29   24   10   13   12   11,14   12   13   15   19   15   18   23   13   18   21   12   12   17   10   -

1 of 382   Ravenna, Italy [Italian]   Eurasian - European - Western European   Europe

14   13   29   23   10   13   12   11,14   12   13   15   19   15   18   23   13                     1   >>
14   13   29   24   10   13   12   11,14   12   12   15   19   15   18   23   13                     1   >>
14   13   29   24   10   13   12   11,14   12   13   15   19   15   18   23   12                     1   >>
13   13   29   24   10   13   12   11,14   12   13   15   19   15   18   23   13                     0   >>
                                                                     

1   14   13   29   24   10   13   12   11,14   12   12   15   19   15   18   23   13   -1   -1   -1   -1   -1   -1   -

1 of 760   Rio de Janeiro, Brazil [Admixed]   Admixed   Latin America

1   14   13   29   24   10   13   12   11,14   12   13   15   19   15   18   23   12   18   21   12   12   17   10   -      >>

1 of 382   Ravenna, Italy [Italian]   Eurasian - European - Western European   Europe

1   14   13   29   23   10   13   12   11,14   12   13   15   19   15   18   23   13   -1   -1   -1   -1   -1   -1   -

1 of 1475   United States [European American]   Eurasian - European   North America

And so on.

We could say that an inhabitant of Ravenna may have come from everywhere and that a Brazilian or an American may be both of Italian and German origin…
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2013, 10:23:19 AM »

Bork's haplotype is deeply rooted in the British world: from SMGF we find Smith, Dain, Davis, Robbins, Pearce; and from Ysearch: 3HTFT (Smith, USA), EMUDG (Carter, USA), FRNMQ (Carter, USA), HZK9X (Smith, USA), ZZ72G (Sexton, USA) etc.
From German or Latin world? The German world is closer above all for YCAII=18-23 and DYS640=12, but before?
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