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« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2013, 04:35:19 PM »

"Jenkins however is part of a different and very distinct cluster with a number of other Welsh surnames, as well as some from England. I have found nine different off modals commonly occuring in this group, but common to all of them is a very distinctive DYS392=14."

Well now that is interesting. I've only seen a handful of families that have that distinct marker outside of R-M222, which is modal to that group. My Isaac family is one of those families, with roots to Devonshire. Another factor, almost every person I've seen with 14 repeats at 392 have either been L21 or DF27 of some sort.

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« Reply #51 on: April 29, 2013, 01:54:29 AM »

One of the 35 (?) R-P312** testees had links to Bristol, so could have been Brythonic or Flemish (or other!). Another had Antrim links, so potentially one of many Flemings who went to Ulster via the Borders, or via the weaving trade etc.
I did find some records in Devon which, ironically, connected a family there with Cumbria. From memory, the Devon family inherited land in the far north west.
At present I'm not necessarily looking for genealogical links between the R-P312** group, although any would be of great interest, but wondering how many of this group originally  inhabited Flanders. I've found many (Flemings?)  living cheek-by-jowel in Yorkshire, then drifting together  into Northumberland, then on into Cumbria & Rox/Dumf. The same families seem to move together & marry amongst their own. The Flemish law of nobilitas?
Of the families I'm researching, the Scottish branches tended to settle north of the Border during the time following William the Lion's ill-fated 1173 invasion of England.
I've seen records showing some of these Norman & Flemish folk then gaining land in Cumbria & settling back in England. Some of these names are recorded by historians as Norman, yet research shows that many were, in fact, Flemish in origin.
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Y-DNA: R1b1b2a1b P312+ Z245- Z2247- Z2245- Z196-  U152-  U106-  P66-  M65-  M37-  M222-  M153-  L459-  L21-  L176.2-  DF27-  DF19- L624+ (S389+)
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« Reply #52 on: May 05, 2013, 09:42:12 PM »

I think most of the Walkers , Falkers and variations I know in the 6 counties claim Flemish weaver ancestry via NE England (rightly or wrongly) so it must be a common assumtion.
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