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« on: November 04, 2012, 05:07:16 AM »

These people belong to the same lineage:
89105 Christopher Mercer b: 1612 England R1b1a2
12 23 14 10 11-14 12 13 13 13 13 29                                                                                                 
96600 Job Mercer & Sarah Green United Kingdom R1b1a2
12 24 14 10 11-14 12 13 12 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 28 14-15-16-17 11 12 19-23 12 16 19 17 36-37 12 11                                                         109110   Unknown Origin R1b1a2
12 24 14 10 11-14 12 13 12 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 28 14-15-16-17 11 12 19-23 12 16 20 17 36-37 12 11 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-23 17 10 12 12 15 8 12 21 20 15 12 11 13 11 11 12 12                                                                                         
104784 Christopher Mercer, b 1612, London, England United Kingdom R1b1a2
12 24 14 10 11-14 12 13 13 13 13 29                                                                                                                                                                                     78776 Christopher Mercer b: 1612 United Kingdom R1b1a2
12 24 14 10 11-14 12 13 13 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 28 14-15-16-17                                                                                                                     84471 Edward Mercer b: 1705 United Kingdom R1b1a2
12 24 14 10 11-14 12 13 13 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 28 14-15-16-17 11 11 19-23 12 16 19 17 35-36 12 11 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-23 17 10 12 12 15 8 12 21 20 15 12 11 13 11 11 12 12                                                                                       
96797 Thomas b: 1655 to Robert & Eliz. Brown Mercer England R1b1a2
12 24 14 10 11-14 12 13 13 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 28 14-15-16-17 11 11 19-23 12 16 19 17 36-37 12 11                                                         90954 Robert & Elizabeth Mercer b: 1741 United Kingdom R1b1a2
12 24 14 10 11-14 12 13 13 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 28 14-15-16-17 11 11 19-23 12 16 19 17 36-37 12 11                                                         81623 Christopher Mercer b: 1612 England R1b1a2
12 24 14 10 11-14 12 13 13 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 28 14-15-16-17 11 12 19-23 12 16 20 17 36-37 12 11 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-23 17 10 12 12 15 8 12 21 20 15 12 11 13 11 11 12 12                                                                                         
49487 Rev. John Mercer b: 1785 United Kingdom R1b1a2
12 24 14 10 11-14 12 13 13 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 28 14-15-16-17 11 12 19-23 12 16 20 17 36-37 12 11 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-23 17 10 12 12 15 8 12 21 20 15 12 11 13 11 11 12 12                                                                                         
144007 Solomon Messer, b. c. 1765 of Lincoln Co., NC Unknown Origin R1b1a2
12 24 14 10 11-14 12 13 13 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 28 14-15-16-17 11 12 19-23 12 16 20 17 36-37 12 11 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-23 17 10 12 12 15 8 12 21 20 15 12 11 13 11 11 12 12                                                                                         
153362 Solomon Messer, b. c. 1765 of Lincoln Co., NC England R1b1a2
12 24 14 10 11-14 12 13 13 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 28 14-15-16-17 11 12 19-23 12 16 20 17 36-37 12 11 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-23 17 10 12 12 15 8 12 21 20 15 12 11 13 11 11 12 12                                                                                         
153918 Jesse Mercer, b. 6/1/1780 Unknown Origin R1b1a2
12 24 14 10 11-14 12 13 13 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 28 14-15-16-17 11 12 19-23 12 16 20 17 36-37 12 11 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-23 17 10 12 12 15 8 12 21 20 15 12 11 13 11 11 12 12                                                                                       
217513 Christopher Mercer, 1612-1670 England R1b1a2a1
12 24 14 10 11-14 12 13 13 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 28 14-15-16-18 11 12 19-23 12 16 19 17 35-37 12 11                                                         157537   United Kingdom R1b1a2
12 24 14 10 11-14 12 13 13 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 27 15 19 28 14-15-16-17 11 12 19-23 12 16 19 18 36-36 12 11 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-23 17 10 12 12 15 8 12 21 20 15 12 11 13 11 11 12 12 33 15 9 16 13 26 26 19 12 11 13 12 10 9 11 12 10 11 11 30 12 12 23 14 10 10 19 15 20 13 24 16 11 15 24 12 23 19 10 14 17 9 11 11
88625 Thomas Mercer b: 1655 England R1b1a2
12 24 14 10 11-14 12 13 13 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 28 14-15-16-17 11 12 19-23 12 16 19 17 36-37 12 11                                                         40908 Christopher Mercer b: 1612 United Kingdom R1b1a2
12 24 14 10 11-14 12 13 14 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 28 13-15-16-17                                                                                                                     93955 Thomas Mercer b: 1655 England R1b1a2
12 24 14 10 11-14 12 13 14 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 30 14-15-16-17 11 12 19-23 12 16 19 17 36-37 12 11

It is very likely that also 248374 belongs to the same lineage for his DYS388=13. Probably an upgrade of his STRs values or of the SNPs should demonstrate this:
248374   Unknown Origin R1b1a2
12 24 15 10 11-14 12 13 13 13 13 29

Don’t belong to this lineage  these people, then the surname Messer has nothing to do with Mercer:
174633   Unknown Origin R1b1a2
12 23 14 10 11-14 12 12 12 13 13 29 18 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 30 15-15-17-17 10 11 19-23 16 15 18 18 36-39 12 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-23 16 10 12 12 15 8 12 23 20 13 12 11 12 11 11 13 12                                                                                         
N21341 William Messer, 1816 Scotland R1b1a2
12 23 14 10 11-14 12 12 12 13 13 29 18 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 30 15-15-17-17 10 11 19-23 16 15 18 18 36-39 12 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-23 16 10 12 12 15 8 12 23 20 13 12 11 12 11 11 13 12                                                                                         
152474   Unknown Origin R1b1a2
12 23 14 10 11-14 12 12 12 13 13 29 18 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 31 15-15-17-17 10 11 19-23 16 15 18 18 36-39 12 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-23 16 10 12 12 15 8 12 23 20 13 12 11 12 11 11 13 12                                                                                       
112180 Matthias Messer b. 1665/1670 Gebsattel, Germany Germany R1b1a2
12 24 13 11 11-14 12 12 11 13 13 30 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 30 14-15-15-18 11 12 19-23 15 16 19 17 37-39 12 12 11 9 15-16 8 11 10 8 10 10 12 23-23 16 10 12 12 14 8 12 21 20 13 12 11 13 10 11 12 12                                                                                       
   

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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2012, 06:03:10 AM »

From SMGF other surnames belong to this haplotype:

Wesley from Texas and before from Alabama
Mercer from Georgia (with DYS447=27)
White from Mississippi and before from Alabama (with H4=11)
Kulbeth from Arkansas and before from Tennessee (with DYS460=10, YCAII=19-22)

This is the haplotype (43 SMGF markers)
12 24 14 10 11-14 12 13 13 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 28 14-15-16-17 11 12 19-23 12 12 11 12 15 11 11 12 23 10 14 12 30 23
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2012, 06:27:37 AM »

The closest to this haplotype all over the world is this:

1 14 13 30 24 11 13 12 11,15 12 12 15 19 12 16 23 11 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 >>
1 of 637 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil [Admixed] Admixed Latin America

It is very rare to find an R-L23/Z2105+ with DYS456=12.

The haplotype of the Mercers would be this in YHRD transcription:

14 13 29 24 10 13 12 11,14 11 12 15 19 12 16 23 13 (12)

Difficult to say which is the origin of this Brazilian guy.

The closer Indian guy could be also of British descent. It’d need some upgrade.



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