When I wrote many years ago that at the origin of the "Balkan cluster" of R-L23 could be Italian Risso!
R-Y10789 BY611/A1777/Y10789 * Y18958 3900 ybp, TMRCA CI 95% 3900 2300 ybp" class="age" formed 4800 ybp, TMRCA 3000 ybp info
⦁ id:ERS256992 ITA [IT-CA]
⦁ id:YF01929 ESP [ES-A]
R-Y23373 Y23374 * Y23375 * Y23373 2300 ybp, TMRCA CI 95% 3700 2000 ybp" formed 3000 ybp, TMRCA 2800 ybp ⦁ info
R-Z2705 Z2705/CTS883 2000 ybp, TMRCA CI 95% 1550 500 ybp" class="age" formed 2800 ybp, TMRCA 900 ybp ⦁ info
⦁ id:YF02716 Благоевград BGR [BG-01]
Now YFull has put a Sardinian of the Francalacci et al. test at the origin with an Iberian.
"Argiedude found an Albanian cluster that Ciulla, an Italian Arberesh who belongs to it, has characterized so: "My Y-DNA line is Arberesh, part of the R1b Albanian/Balkans cluster ( key values at FTDNA`s 25 marker level are: DYS385a/b= 11-11, DYS459a= 8 and DYS464a/b/c/d similar to 14-16-16-17 )".
I have found an Italian sample who could belong to the same cluster, but with more ancientness: the Albanian cluster is in fact very young. See Risso from Genova (Italy) (Ysearch EK3WY) with DYS393=14, DYS390=23, DYS385=11-11, DYS464=15-16-16-17, DYS461=10.
Between Risso and Ciulla there is a TMRCA at about 2125-2550 YBP".www.worldfamilies.net
June 02, 2010, 01:08:29 AM