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Title: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 22, 2013, 09:53:11 PM
I'm an L226 positive. But my genealogy indicates I'm of French Royal Blood. I suspect that both the French throne and Irish Throne are of Jewish Royal bloodlines (Ur=Kuwait=Abraham/ Genebase.com). 

I think it was Mileisus of Jewish Khazaria (Khuzestan)who went to Spain and whose sons went to Ireland to become the Royal O'Brien's.
 
On the French side, Machir of Narbonne was of Jewish Royalty.

As well the house of Capet comes out of Aragon, Spain.

I'm no expert. I leave it for you to discuss.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 22, 2013, 11:34:39 PM
I read where the Scots are of Jewish descent.

eg King David


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on June 23, 2013, 08:03:27 AM
It isn't likely that any of that is true for so many reasons that it would take a really long post to list them all.

L226 is a subclade of Z253, which is a subclade of DF13, which is a subclade of L21, which is a subclade of P312, which is a subclade of L11.

One might - might -  be able to argue for a west Asian origin for L11, but the rest of those are all European, and there is no evidence of a connection between any of them and the Khazars, as exciting as that might be. L11 itself probably first arose in Europe.

The Khazars were a Turkic people who converted to Judaism in the 8th century. Religion would have been about the only thing they shared with Abraham and David.

I would think being a descendant of the very Irish Dalcassians would be honor enough. Why try to introduce far-fetched, highly imaginative notions that bear little or no resemblance to reality?




Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Dubhthach on June 23, 2013, 10:29:11 AM
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Mac ÍOSÓC, Mac ÍOSÓG—V—M'Isock, M'Kysoke, M'Kyssock, M'Kysog, MacKissock, MacCussack, Kissack, Cusack; 'son of Isaac'; the name of an old Thomond family; found also in Galway, Roscommon and Donegal. It was also an old surname in the Isle of Man, where it is still represented by Kissack.

Mac ÍSEÓG—V—M'Ishocke, Cusack; a variant of Mac Íosóg, which see; still in use in Co. Galway.

Thomond = North Munster eg. Tuadhmhumhain/Tuamhain. This is the the Kingdom controlled by the Dál gCais before they managed to grab the Kingship of all Munster from the Eoghanacht.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 23, 2013, 12:21:55 PM
It isn't likely that any of that is true for so many reasons that it would take a really long post to list them all.

L226 is a subclade of Z253, which is a subclade of DF13, which is a subclade of L21, which is a subclade of P312, which is a subclade of L11.

One might - might -  be able to argue for a west Asian origin for L11, but the rest of those are all European, and there is no evidence of a connection between any of them and the Khazars, as exciting as that might be. L11 itself probably first arose in Europe.

The Khazars were a Turkic people who converted to Judaism in the 8th century. Religion would have been about the only thing they shared with Abraham and David.

I would think being a descendant of the very Irish Dalcassians would be honor enough. Why try to introduce far-fetched, highly imaginative notions that bear little or no resemblance to reality?




Genebase.com has population studies.  My highest match is to Kuwait. This, of course is where Abraham originated in Ur (Genesis)


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 23, 2013, 12:26:25 PM
There is why are called Red Jews. They have red hair and blue eyes - like the Irish.  The Bible tells us David had a ruddy (red) complexion.

Genebase.com  indicated my YDNA comes out of Jewish Khazaria or Khuzestan.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Webb on June 23, 2013, 03:14:18 PM
There is why are called Red Jews. They have red hair and blue eyes - like the Irish.  The Bible tells us David had a ruddy (red) complexion.

Genebase.com  indicated my YDNA comes out of Jewish Khazaria or Khuzestan.


Keep in mind Europeans have been traveling to the Middle East for a very long time.  The celts marched into Asia Minor, plus the Romans conquered areas there, then the crusades.  These are all many oppurtunities for L21 snps to get deposited there.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Curtis Pigman(Pigmon) on June 23, 2013, 03:28:13 PM
There is why are called Red Jews. They have red hair and blue eyes - like the Irish.  The Bible tells us David had a ruddy (red) complexion.

Genebase.com  indicated my YDNA comes out of Jewish Khazaria or Khuzestan.


Just curious, what is your RMI number with this population study on Genebase? 

I recently had an RMI of 294.47 for Smyrna, Greece and 205.53 for Phocaea, Greece. 


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Dubhthach on June 23, 2013, 04:26:13 PM
L226 going on men who have tested positive for it is at most 1200-1400 years old. It's heavily tied to men belonging to "Irish Type III" str cluster and bearing surnames linked to the Dál gCais dynastical grouping.

Cusack itself is an Irish name with at least one form of the name coming from North Munster specifically the area ruled by the Dál gCais. I think it's fairly evident that it's not connected to either Galatians in "Asia Minor" or to Khazaria.

-Paul
(DF41+)


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 23, 2013, 06:52:17 PM
There is why are called Red Jews. They have red hair and blue eyes - like the Irish.  The Bible tells us David had a ruddy (red) complexion.

Genebase.com  indicated my YDNA comes out of Jewish Khazaria or Khuzestan.


Just curious, what is your RMI number with this population study on Genebase? 


25.71 Kuwait

I recently had an RMI of 294.47 for Smyrna, Greece and 205.53 for Phocaea, Greece. 


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 23, 2013, 06:55:06 PM
L226 going on men who have tested positive for it is at most 1200-1400 years old. It's heavily tied to men belonging to "Irish Type III" str cluster and bearing surnames linked to the Dál gCais dynastical grouping.

Cusack itself is an Irish name with at least one form of the name coming from North Munster specifically the area ruled by the Dál gCais. I think it's fairly evident that it's not connected to either Galatians in "Asia Minor" or to Khazaria.

-Paul
(DF41+)

If I am a Cusack, the Cusacks are  linked to the MacNameras.  They may well be a Sept.  I have an odd marker DYS391=12.  There is but one O'Brien who has the same.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 23, 2013, 07:02:02 PM
It isn't likely that any of that is true for so many reasons that it would take a really long post to list them all.

L226 is a subclade of Z253, which is a subclade of DF13, which is a subclade of L21, which is a subclade of P312, which is a subclade of L11.

One might - might -  be able to argue for a west Asian origin for L11, but the rest of those are all European, and there is no evidence of a connection between any of them and the Khazars, as exciting as that might be. L11 itself probably first arose in Europe.


The Khazars nobility traced their ancestry back to the Northern Kings of Israel.  That's why they "converted.". They would be of the northern tribe of Joseph I think - who rules his brothers (Genesis).  The southern tribes were Judah and Benjamin.
The Khazars were a Turkic people who converted to Judaism in the 8th century. Religion would have been about the only thing they shared with Abraham and David.

I would think being a descendant of the very Irish Dalcassians would be honor enough. Why try to introduce far-fetched, highly imaginative notions that bear little or no resemblance to reality?





Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 23, 2013, 07:10:17 PM
It isn't likely that any of that is true for so many reasons that it would take a really long post to list them all.

L226 is a subclade of Z253, which is a subclade of DF13, which is a subclade of L21, which is a subclade of P312, which is a subclade of L11.

One might - might -  be able to argue for a west Asian origin for L11, but the rest of those are all European, and there is no evidence of a connection between any of them and the Khazars, as exciting as that might be. L11 itself probably first arose in Europe.


  The southern tribes were Judah and Benjamin.
The Khazars were a Turkic people who converted to Judaism in the 8th century. Religion would have been about the only thing they shared with Abraham and David.

I would think being a descendant of the very Irish Dalcassians would be honor enough. Why try to introduce far-fetched, highly imaginative notions that bear little or no resemblance to reality?




The Khazars nobility traced their ancestry back to the Northern Kings of Israel.  That's why they "converted.". They would be of the northern tribe of Joseph I think - who rules his brothers (Genesis).

If I recall, Mileisus was a Khazar who travelled to Egypt, then Northern Spain, then sons to Ir-land.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on June 23, 2013, 07:23:09 PM
Ah, the "Lost Ten Tribes of Israel". The northern kingdom of Israel, as opposed to the southern kingdom of Judah, was conquered by the Assyrians in, as I recall, the 8th century BC. Its inhabitants, all of the tribes of Israel except Judah and Benjamin, were removed from their homeland and dispersed throughout the Assyrian Empire, which did not include Khazaria, to keep them from causing trouble.

There is no more evidence of a connection between the Khazars and the kings of Israel than there is between the Amerindians and the "Lost Ten Tribes of Israel" (a feature of The Book of Mormon).

The Khazars were a Turkic people. Last I heard, most of their descendants, including the Jewish ones, are R1a1.



Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on June 23, 2013, 07:25:13 PM
L226 going on men who have tested positive for it is at most 1200-1400 years old. It's heavily tied to men belonging to "Irish Type III" str cluster and bearing surnames linked to the Dál gCais dynastical grouping.

Cusack itself is an Irish name with at least one form of the name coming from North Munster specifically the area ruled by the Dál gCais. I think it's fairly evident that it's not connected to either Galatians in "Asia Minor" or to Khazaria.

-Paul
(DF41+)

It's not likely to be connected to French royalty either.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 23, 2013, 07:25:46 PM
I must admit, this is all well over my head. I'm still learning.  My guess is that L226 is royal line of David, France, and Ireland and perhaps all the royal houses of Europe.  But I'm too uninformed to figure it out. I leave it to experts to tell me the answer.

If you can shed light it is appreciated. I have no desire to be a King. I'm not the heir anyway.  I prefer Physics.:)


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on June 23, 2013, 07:29:42 PM
Honestly, I think you are lucky to be Irish Type III/L226+ and should be proud of that.

That's a result that gives you a degree of geographic and ancestral specificity that most of us just dream about. I, for one, am very envious.

But, honestly, there's no reason to think it's connected to King David, the Jews, the Khazars or to French royalty.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 23, 2013, 07:36:25 PM
Actually, my maternal grandfather is a LeClair. I was shocked to find out that he is of Spanish descent.  His mother was a North American Indian - shock!  I'm just trying to piece together evidence I found here with what I observe in genetics. I think L226 is French too.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 23, 2013, 07:44:08 PM
Take a step back.

 Louis XVII was rescued from Bastille prison by Sir Edmund Burke and was put with his niece Mary Burke in Tipperary.  A Thomas Cusack married Mary Burke. The adopted king was given the name Thomas John Cusack.  I'm Paul Thomas Cusack, an L226

If you see a photo of me against Louis XVII at age 10, we're a match. There is lots more evidence I won't put here.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on June 23, 2013, 07:52:45 PM
There is a slight problem with that. Blood allegedly belonging to Louis XVI (the father of Louis XVII) recently tested G2a, not R-L226.

Genetic analysis of the presumptive blood from Louis XVI, king of France (http://www.fsigenetics.com/article/PIIS1872497310001602/)


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 23, 2013, 07:56:31 PM
Its not his blood.

And the heart tissue is not Louis' but the "great bastard of the great one MAINE" (MAria aNtoniettE) Nostradamus


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on June 23, 2013, 08:02:27 PM
Please explain to me, preferably without cryptic references to Nostradamus, how the line of Louis XVI came to belong to an otherwise totally Munster Irish, Dalcassian subclade.

Honestly, I'm starting to hear the old theme music from The Twilight Zone.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 23, 2013, 08:04:39 PM
L226 might be the royal house of Europe - not just Ireland. . In science you need an open mind.

Thanks anyway.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 23, 2013, 08:09:19 PM
BTW Cusack is MacIsog or MacIssac as any keychain will tell you as in Abraham, Issac, and Jacob was  Jews.

God Luck!


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on June 23, 2013, 08:11:18 PM
If I name my kid Spock, does that make him a Vulcan?


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Webb on June 23, 2013, 08:34:18 PM
L226 going on men who have tested positive for it is at most 1200-1400 years old. It's heavily tied to men belonging to "Irish Type III" str cluster and bearing surnames linked to the Dál gCais dynastical grouping.

Cusack itself is an Irish name with at least one form of the name coming from North Munster specifically the area ruled by the Dál gCais. I think it's fairly evident that it's not connected to either Galatians in "Asia Minor" or to Khazaria.

-Paul
(DF41+)

Sorry, I assumed there were L226 in the Middle East and was just giving a broad example of possibilities.  I didn't realize the clade was that recent.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 23, 2013, 08:40:40 PM
I've never learned one thing from a forum. They are a waste of time.  Always quick to insult. 

And yes name were important centuries ago. It meant something to the ancients. 


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Webb on June 23, 2013, 09:03:10 PM
I've never learned one thing from a forum. They are a waste of time.  Always quick to insult. 

And yes name were important centuries ago. It meant something to the ancients. 

I can't speak for everyone, but there are a lot of experts on here.  L21 is a very Western European haplotype.  Not every clade under it is represented in the isles, but a large amount is and some, if not most has been there a long time.  It is possible if this particular clade is found in the Middle East, it was brought there sporadically.  Paul corrected me and I didn't lose any sleep over it.  He knows a lot about L21 and Irish history.  If someone is quick to pounce on you, then stay calm and explain that you are just looking for answers and a facts reply will suffice.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 23, 2013, 09:05:44 PM
Thank you.

The next step is to find out where L226 originated.  I'll leave in the hands of geneticists, or anyone else so inclined.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 23, 2013, 10:00:45 PM
It may be interesting that I have a perfect match to 5 DeLongs  on Y search for 12 markers, but a GD of 1 for the Irish for 12 markers.  My matches are in England and Scotland, not Ireland.  The de Longs were  Kings of France. I'm an L226.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 23, 2013, 11:49:27 PM
The TMRCA for me and an O'Brien is 1277 AD. this coincides with Robert of Scotland.  We now know the Scots are Jews.  this explains why the next king was David II - a Jewish name. 

I think L226 has Jewish origins from the royal line of David or Joseph.

Time will prove me right or wrong. Go to it.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Dubhthach on June 24, 2013, 04:11:34 AM
I'm sorry but 12 markers just don't cut it. At 12 markers you could match with a man who is U106+. L21 (specifically it's parent P312) last shared a common ancestor with U106 on the order of over 4,000 years ago. If you are going to go comparing STR's test to at least 67 markers if not to 111.

I fail to see also what the O'Brien's have to do with David II of Scotland. The O'Brien's are specifically the male line descendants of Brian Bóroimhe (Brian Boru) who died in 1014.

Brian like all Irish kings had their own personal genealogist, no where in his genealogy does he claim a connection to David.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on June 24, 2013, 07:26:24 AM
. . . We now know the Scots are Jews.  
this explains why the next king was David II . . .

We don't know any such thing, because it's not true, and all sorts of people in Christian Europe gave their sons and daughters names from the Bible, like David (and, yes, even Isaac).

L226 is the defining SNP of those in the Irish Type III cluster. Anyone who wants to can take a look at the R-L226 Project and come to his or her own conclusions.

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L226_Project/default.aspx?section=yresults (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L226_Project/default.aspx?section=yresults)

If one is going to start making startling claims of exotic - even regal - y-dna ancestry, it is customary to have some actual evidence beyond shared popular biblical names and references to Nostradamus.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: samIsaack on June 24, 2013, 04:11:52 PM
BTW Cusack is MacIsog or MacIssac as any keychain will tell you as in Abraham, Issac, and Jacob was  Jews.

God Luck!

Actually, Cusack was brought in with the Normans and isn't related to the Gaelic forms of the Isaac surname. The variant forms of MacIsog or MacIosog  are Gaelisations of the Norman name 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cusack

Since you belong to a specific type of L21 that is accepted as Irish, I'd say your family was Native Irish and simply adopted the name. Or your y-line was the result of an illegitimacy. Or your y-line could have been adopted. Also there's the possibility that your Irish family adopted the name in order to acquire land or something of that sort.

Hope this helps.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Dubhthach on June 24, 2013, 04:30:58 PM
BTW Cusack is MacIsog or MacIssac as any keychain will tell you as in Abraham, Issac, and Jacob was  Jews.

God Luck!

Actually, Cusack was brought in with the Normans and isn't related to the Gaelic forms of the Isaac surname. The variant forms of MacIsog or MacIosog  are Gaelisations of the Norman name 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cusack

Since you belong to a specific type of L21 that is accepted as Irish, I'd say your family was Native Irish and simply adopted the name. Or your y-line was the result of an illegitimacy. Or your y-line could have been adopted. Also there's the possibility that your Irish family adopted the name in order to acquire land or something of that sort.

Hope this helps.

There is also a native name that has been anglisced as Cusack. Which comes from Thomond, the land of the L226 ;)


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on June 24, 2013, 08:10:05 PM
Well, that was kind of a fun thread. Things have been too dull around here, anyway.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: samIsaack on June 24, 2013, 11:33:38 PM
BTW Cusack is MacIsog or MacIssac as any keychain will tell you as in Abraham, Issac, and Jacob was  Jews.

God Luck!

Actually, Cusack was brought in with the Normans and isn't related to the Gaelic forms of the Isaac surname. The variant forms of MacIsog or MacIosog  are Gaelisations of the Norman name 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cusack

Since you belong to a specific type of L21 that is accepted as Irish, I'd say your family was Native Irish and simply adopted the name. Or your y-line was the result of an illegitimacy. Or your y-line could have been adopted. Also there's the possibility that your Irish family adopted the name in order to acquire land or something of that sort.

Hope this helps.

There is also a native name that has been anglisced as Cusack. Which comes from Thomond, the land of the L226 ;)

Interesting. I'm guessing some form of Isaac in the Gaelic?


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 25, 2013, 12:46:51 AM
BTW Cusack is MacIsog or MacIssac as any keychain will tell you as in Abraham, Issac, and Jacob was  Jews.

God Luck!

Actually, Cusack was brought in with the Normans and isn't related to the Gaelic forms of the Isaac surname. The variant forms of MacIsog or MacIosog  are Gaelisations of the Norman name 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cusack

Since you belong to a specific type of L21 that is accepted as Irish, I'd say your family was Native Irish and simply adopted the name. Or your y-line was the result of an illegitimacy. Or your y-line could have been adopted. Also there's the possibility that your Irish family adopted the name in order to acquire land or something of that sort.

Hope this helps.

Thank you, but there are two Cusack families in Ireland - one from Dublin the Norman variety; the other from Clare co - ancient Irish.  Confusing I realize.  I always thought I was a Norman.  Not!.  But I still think L226 is not just Irish Royalty but European Royalty (House of Bourbon)


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on June 25, 2013, 11:05:15 AM
The question is why you think that.

Where is the L226 and the Irish Type III haplotype on the Continent? Among the French?

Where is there any real, hard, objective evidence of L226 among the Jews or the Khazars?

Why is it so overwhelmingly and obviously Munster Irish in our databases?

Why are the Jews and the Khazars and the French so overwhelmingly NOT L226+?


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: seferhabahir on June 25, 2013, 11:51:16 AM
The one obvious Jewish cluster (Baltic/1111EE) in L21 is under Z251, but even I have difficulty saying Z251 had ancient Jewish roots (much as I would like to believe it). I'm sure I have some ancient Israelite roots somewhere in my ancestry, but it sure doesn't look like it came out of my DF13 paternal line. It is likely this Jewish line came from the Speyer, Worms, Mainz area of the Rhineland or nearby, and this area was probably full of L21 and Z251 types. I just don't have any real evidence that my L21 ancestors came from ancient Israel. Even Bennett Greenspan would have a hard time saying L21 (or Z251 or L226) had ancient Jewish roots.

Here is a summary for an upcoming talk he will be giving at IAJGS 2013 in Boston in August.

"Haplogroups - What They Are and What They Mean for Jews"  

Haplogroups ... can tell us a lot about our most distant ancestors and even give us an idea of 'when' our ancestors became Jews. As romantic as it is to presume that all of our ancestors stood at Mt. Sinai waiting for Moses to reappear, in truth only some of our ancestors were Jews 3200 years ago--Haplogroups can give us instant clues of when and perhaps where our ancestors joined the Jewish people. The lecture will deal primarily on Ashkenazim, both males and females.

Don't know about you guys, but I'll be in Boston listening to this talk and others.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 26, 2013, 04:54:13 AM
Can we say for sure that L226 originated in Ireland?  Couldn't it be possible that L226 is the royal house of Europe - not just Ireland? Capet's came from Aragon, Spain and Machir of Narbonne came from Israel's throne supposedly. Milieus was Royal Jewish  lineage perhaps.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on June 26, 2013, 08:26:23 AM
There wasn't a single "royal house" of Europe. There were a number of them. A few of them have y-dna results already, and none is L226+, except for the line of Brian Boru.

It certainly seems that L226 originated in Ireland. It's believed to be only about 1200 years old or so.

The immediate predecessor SNP of L226, Z253, probably originated on the Continent, but it is much older than L226 and actually has a continental presence. L226 lacks that continental presence and is overwhelmingly Irish.

Irish Type III (http://www.irishtype3dna.org/index.php)


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 29, 2013, 01:14:51 AM
The one obvious Jewish cluster (Baltic/1111EE) in L21 is under Z251, but even I have difficulty saying Z251 had ancient Jewish roots (much as I would like to believe it). I'm sure I have some ancient Israelite roots somewhere in my ancestry, but it sure doesn't look like it came out of my DF13 paternal line. It is likely this Jewish line came from the Speyer, Worms, Mainz area of the Rhineland or nearby, and this area was probably full of L21 and Z251 types. I just don't have any real evidence that my L21 ancestors came from ancient Israel. Even Bennett Greenspan would have a hard time saying L21 (or Z251 or L226) had ancient Jewish roots.

Here is a summary for an upcoming talk he will be giving at IAJGS 2013 in Boston in August.

"Haplogroups - What They Are and What They Mean for Jews"  

Haplogroups ... can tell us a lot about our most distant ancestors and even give us an idea of 'when' our ancestors became Jews. As romantic as it is to presume that all of our ancestors stood at Mt. Sinai waiting for Moses to reappear, in truth only some of our ancestors were Jews 3200 years ago--Haplogroups can give us instant clues of when and perhaps where our ancestors joined the Jewish people. The lecture will deal primarily on Ashkenazim, both males and females.

Don't know about you guys, but I'll be in Boston listening to this talk and others.
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Hugh Capet comes from Tongern Belgium , and before that Stuttgart. 


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on June 29, 2013, 01:18:07 AM
There wasn't a single "royal house" of Europe. There were a number of them. A few of them have y-dna results already, and none is L226+, except for the line of Brian Boru.

It certainly seems that L226 originated in Ireland. It's believed to be only about 1200 years old or so.

The immediate predecessor SNP of L226, Z253, probably originated on the Continent, but it is much older than L226 and actually has a continental presence. L226 lacks that continental presence and is overwhelmingly Irish.

Irish Type III (http://www.irishtype3dna.org/index.php)


I ACCEPT THIS AS THE MOST COMMON ANSWER. I PROBABLY AM IRISH, WHICH IS WHAT I ALWAYS GREW UP BELIEVING.  WE NEED MORE EVIDENCE ON THE ROYAL HOUSES OF EUROPE.  L226 MIGHHT BE MORE THAN JUST IRISH.  IT COULD BE A JACOBS DESCENT.  I'M NO EXPERT. STILL LEARNING...


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on June 29, 2013, 05:07:40 PM
Does that seem likely to you? Really?


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: inver2b1 on July 01, 2013, 07:12:17 PM
Well, that was kind of a fun thread. Things have been too dull around here, anyway.

I thought I was in Eupedia for a while.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on July 04, 2013, 10:22:43 PM
L226 is Jewish. It comes from Mileisus who is from Jewish Khazaria. Its the royal line of Joseph (Ephraim). If you look you'll find it.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: OConnor on July 04, 2013, 10:26:38 PM
If R-L21 is the Father of L226, and if L21 was born in Western Europe 4000+/- years ago (in Western Europe) that should say something.

I suspect early L226 people had a different religion altogether from the Jewish faith.

I thought the Mileisus story had him pegged as Scythian.



Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on July 05, 2013, 07:36:32 AM
L226 is Jewish. It comes from Mileisus who is from Jewish Khazaria. Its the royal line of Joseph (Ephraim). If you look you'll find it.

The burden of proof is with the person making such claims. Why should we look for evidence of your assertions? You are obligated to prove them or at least provide some evidence of them. You have not done any of that.

We have been through all this already. L226 most certainly is NOT Jewish and has no connection to Khazaria or the royal line of Joseph. The Khazars themselves were Turkic converts to Judaism and would have had no genetic connection to Joseph.

The evidence is overwhelming that L226 is Irish and connected to the Dál gCais families of Munster.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Webb on July 05, 2013, 02:17:54 PM
L226 is Jewish. It comes from Mileisus who is from Jewish Khazaria. Its the royal line of Joseph (Ephraim). If you look you'll find it.

The burden of proof is with the person making such claims. Why should we look for evidence of your assertions? You are obligated to prove them or at least provide some evidence of them. You have not done any of that.

We have been through all this already. L226 most certainly is NOT Jewish and has no connection to Khazaria or the royal line of Joseph. The Khazars themselves were Turkic converts to Judaism and would have had no genetic connection to Joseph.

The evidence is overwhelming that L226 is Irish and connected to the Dál gCais families of Munster.

At this point I think the claims about the connections to Joseph are aimed at getting someone's goose.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: seferhabahir on July 05, 2013, 10:18:17 PM
At this point I think the claims about the connections to Joseph are aimed at getting someone's goose.

I sort of like this thread. Maybe we could change it around a little to discuss what kind of Y-DNA the Hyksos might have. Some people (even scholars) think the rise of Joseph story is associated with the Hyksos era in Egypt. The Hyksos interlude was indelibly etched into the collective Egyptian memory, however the origin of the Hyksos is not necessarily well understood (Hurrian, Hittite, Semite?).

See for example

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_Hyksos#Modern_scholarship



Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: seferhabahir on July 05, 2013, 10:32:42 PM
Some people (even scholars) think the rise of Joseph story is associated with the Hyksos era in Egypt. The Hyksos interlude was indelibly etched into the collective Egyptian memory, however the origin of the Hyksos is not necessarily well understood (Hittite, Semite?).

Here's a quote from Baruch Halpern, a well-known professor of Jewish studies and also an archeologist (admittedly this is sort of old, being from a 1991 symposium at the Smithsonian Institution on Ancient Israel):

"Overall, the Joseph story is a reinterpretation of the Hyksos period from an Israelite perspective. Admitting a relationship between Israel and the Hyksos, it affirms that the episode was part of a divine plan to preserve both the Asiatics and the Egyptians. The framework of the Joseph story, then, is plainly apologetic: It offers up the perspective of the despised “Asiatics” against centuries of Egyptian opprobrium. The tradition’s date is uncertain, but its most probable time of origin is in the tenth century, under, or just after, Solomon."

Clearly, the Joseph story is based on something historical, but whether Joseph himself was a real person capable of giving rise to a modern haplogroup (R1b something or other) is a different matter entirely.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on July 06, 2013, 03:45:39 PM
L226 is Jewish. It comes from Mileisus who is from Jewish Khazaria. Its the royal line of Joseph (Ephraim). If you look you'll find it.

The burden of proof is with the person making such claims. Why should we look for evidence of your assertions? You are obligated to prove them or at least provide some evidence of them. You have not done any of that.

We have been through all this already. L226 most certainly is NOT Jewish and has no connection to Khazaria or the royal line of Joseph. The Khazars themselves were Turkic converts to Judaism and would have had no genetic connection to Joseph.

The evidence is overwhelming that L226 is Irish and connected to the Dál gCais families of Munster.

At this point I think the claims about the connections to Joseph are aimed at getting someone's goose.

I kind of wish that were so, but I think instead that he really believes it (but without any good reasons).


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on July 10, 2013, 07:28:51 PM
Some people (even scholars) think the rise of Joseph story is associated with the Hyksos era in Egypt. The Hyksos interlude was indelibly etched into the collective Egyptian memory, however the origin of the Hyksos is not necessarily well understood (Hittite, Semite?).

Here's a quote from Baruch Halpern, a well-known professor of Jewish studies and also an archeologist (admittedly this is sort of old, being from a 1991 symposium at the Smithsonian Institution on Ancient Israel):

"Overall, the Joseph story is a reinterpretation of the Hyksos period from an Israelite perspective. Admitting a relationship between Israel and the Hyksos, it affirms that the episode was part of a divine plan to preserve both the Asiatics and the Egyptians. The framework of the Joseph story, then, is plainly apologetic: It offers up the perspective of the despised “Asiatics” against centuries of Egyptian opprobrium. The tradition’s date is uncertain, but its most probable time of origin is in the tenth century, under, or just after, Solomon."

Clearly, the Joseph story is based on something historical, but whether Joseph himself was a real person capable of giving rise to a modern haplogroup (R1b something or other) is a different matter entirely.


This is the common error scientist make about the Truth of Scripture.  Joseph and Judah were real people and so was Jesus.  The Bible is a true story of the ancestors of Jesus.  Genetic will eventually prove that. It proved their was one man Adam and one woman Eve. 

If you want to know the solution to Darwinian problem, its as simple as God left a phrase out. Genesis should read: " The universe is made of dust (dark matter); Man is made from the Universe (Darwin); therefore Man is made from dust." He simply gave us the last phrase, Man is made from dust.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on July 10, 2013, 07:40:40 PM
L226 is Jewish. It comes from Mileisus who is from Jewish Khazaria. Its the royal line of Joseph (Ephraim). If you look you'll find it.

The burden of proof is with the person making such claims. Why should we look for evidence of your assertions? You are obligated to prove them or at least provide some evidence of them. You have not done any of that.

We have been through all this already. L226 most certainly is NOT Jewish and has no connection to Khazaria or the royal line of Joseph. The Khazars themselves were Turkic converts to Judaism and would have had no genetic connection to Joseph.

The evidence is overwhelming that L226 is Irish and connected to the Dál gCais families of Munster.

At this point I think the claims about the connections to Joseph are aimed at getting someone's goose.

I kind of wish that were so, but I think instead that he really believes it (but without any good reasons).

Who would have believed the Scots were Jewish?  Now their are books on it. How about Rouen France?  Book also.

The Jews teach that there is two Messiahs: Moshiach Ben David and Moshhiach Ben Joseph.  These people certainly did exist and their descendants do too.

Joseph riles over his brothers (Genesis) including Judah.  It was the twin Ephraim (Edward) who got the better blessing from his grandfather Jacob.(Genesis)

It all ties together, but you need to know more than just genetics.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on July 10, 2013, 08:49:10 PM
:23 And the children of the half tribe of Manasseh dwelt in the land: they increased from Bashan unto Baalhermon and Senir, and unto Mount Hermon.
5:24 And these were the heads of the house of their fathers, even Epher, and Ishi, and Eliel, and Azriel, and Jeremiah, and Hodaviah, and Jahdiel, mighty men of valour, famous men, and heads of the house of their fathers. 5:25 And they transgressed against the God of their fathers, and went a whoring after the gods of the people of the land, whom God destroyed before them.

5:26 And the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh, and brought them unto Halah, and Habor, and Hara, and to the river Gozan, unto this day." (1 Chronicles 5:23-26 KJV)

The O'Hara's are related to Mileisus and the Kings of Ir-land.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on July 10, 2013, 09:44:10 PM
The Bourbon Throne of France is L226 as well. Machir of Narbonne was sent for when the French wanted a King. The Israelites sent Machir.  That's why Bourbon DNA matches the Irish royal House L226. 


No insults please!  If you can build on this please do so. It's up to you.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on July 10, 2013, 10:43:42 PM
The Cusacks in Co Clare Co descend from Dermod III God Clusach Mccarthy of Carbery.  The O'Haras of Northern Ireland do too.  The O'Hara's made their way to rural Limerick. The O'Hara's  split from the Cusacks in 1487.  The O'Haras are likely from Mt Hara in 1 chronicles 5:24.  They are from the tribe of Manessah, twin brother of Ephraim, sons of Joseph. L226 could be Jewish.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on July 10, 2013, 11:37:33 PM
The Cusacks descend likely from King Ollium Olum 2nd c who had 3 boys who lived. One was Cormac Cas- another was Eoghan.   In 1641 there is born an Eoghan Clusack.  So that's why I have Dalcassian DNA.
 
We are not Dalcassians but are from the line of Irish Kings.  The next one is King Dermod iii God Clusack. (Cusack)


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on July 10, 2013, 11:54:43 PM
Mileisus is an ancestor of King Olium Oilil Olum.  He had 3 sons one Cormac Cas, the other Eogan.   Eogan is a son of Agnoman of Sythia (Khazachstan).  He descends from the Royal Jews. There is a Eogan Clusach b1641. 

Summary: L226 is the Royal Jewish Line.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on July 11, 2013, 12:48:33 AM
The L226 Cusack or Clusachs descend from Mileisus and before him Agnoman of Sythia. These were the Khazars.  they traced their lineage from the royal line of the 10 lost tribes of Israel in the 9 th century- particularly  the tribe of Joseph.

So we show Dalcassian DNA but are not of Cas but are his brother Eoghan, sons of Oilill Olum.

So L226 is Jewish after all and I have given you the path to find it.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on July 11, 2013, 12:55:16 AM
You'll find traces of L226 in Kuwait (Ur); Khazachstan (Sythia) ; Egypt; Northern Spain (and perhaps Aragon) and of course Ireland and North America.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: inver2b1 on July 11, 2013, 08:12:46 AM

Summary: L226 is the Royal Jewish Line.

None of that is a summary, you fall under a certain haplogroup and you have a wish to be attached to royalty and the bible so 2+2=22


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on July 11, 2013, 10:27:23 AM
My friend responded as follows:

The Irish pedigrees are in error and were written by much later generations to increase their standing and importance.

 It was said in the Pedigrees, that  Cormac Cas was the second son of Olioll Olum, King of Muster and was the younger brother of Owen Mór.  The third son was Cian.  Owen Mór was killed in the battle of Magh Mucromha but had by a Druid's daughter a son named Feach (Fiacha Maolleathan as he was called).

 "From these three sons of Olioll Olum are descended the Hiberian nobility and gentry of Munster and other parts of Ireland; viz., from Owen Mór are descended M'Carthy, O'Sullivan, O'Keeffe, and the rest of the ancient nobility of Desmond; from Cormac-Cas are descended O'Brien, MacMahon, O'Kennedy, and the rest of the nobility and gentry of Thomond; and from Cian [Kian] are descended O'Carroll (of Ely-O'Carroll), O'Meagher, O'Hara, O'Gara, etc."

 This must be fabricated as Irish Type III are L226+ while the Eoghanachts are not!

 If we go further back in the pedigrees we find that all the tribes go back to Mil, including the O'Neills who are shown to be M222+.

 We cannot have three lines with a common ancestor, one M222+, one L226+ and one both M222- and L226-.

 The Eoghanachts ARE NOT Irish Type III, they ARE NOT L226+.

I'll leave it to the experts.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Mark Jost on July 11, 2013, 04:44:34 PM
There are a couple of different opinions.

Paul D emailed me this info a couple of years ago.

Quote"{"Cormac Cas" obviously is the purported ancestor of the "Dál gCais" who are connected with L226 (and now Z253 -- Irish Type III.)

It's generally agreed that the Dál gCais genealogy is falsified product of the 9th/early 10th century. "Cormac Cas" is written in as a brother of "Éoghain Mór" from whom the Eoghanacht (South Irish) are descended. Obviously the disconnect in haplotypes as well as SNP's proves this falisfication. Of course Éoghain was the grandson of "Mug Nuadhat" -- of "Leath Mogh" fame (the southern half of Ireland), been the great foe of Conn (of 100 battles -- ancestor of Connachta/Uí Néill) of "Leath Cuinn".

In this whole realm of "pseudo-history" the Eóghanacht via their ancestor Mug Nuadhat were suppose to have arrived in Munster from abroad (continent -- some have said perhaps Gaulish in origin), they came to dominate Munster in 7th-8th century. Before that the Coru Loígde were dominant. Ye thus looking at perhaps a very old population that was first supplanted by the Eóghanacht in early medieval period who were then supplanted by Dál gCais in the late 10th/11th century. Of course the Éoghanacht retained controll of Desmond (south munster) until the 16th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%C3%B3ganachta

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corcu_Lo%C3%ADgde

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A1l_gCais

It has been suggested that before they modified their lineage the Dál gCais were a branch of the Déise of Waterford

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9isi

In general any genealogy purported from before the 8th century is highly suspect, as it was want to modify things. Some historians have argued that there was a process "History Synthesis" which occurred during this time. The "Synthetic historians" rewrote the history so as to tie in with biblical narrative as well as to give a unified history to entire island. The crowning example of this is the whole myth of "Míl Espáine".}UnQuote


MJost


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Webb on July 11, 2013, 07:01:01 PM
Of all the genetic lineages in Ireland, the one that would most likely represent the Milesians, supposing there really was a Mil, would be DF27.  This is based on the fact that the ROXX cluster is DF27** and DF27 is heavy in Iberia.  This is a small excerpt from the "History of Ireland" by Webb.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on July 12, 2013, 02:50:33 PM
You'll find traces of L226 in Kuwait (Ur); Khazachstan (Sythia) ; Egypt; Northern Spain (and perhaps Aragon) . . .

No, you won't.

This is ridiculous, I mean utterly, incredibly ridiculous and preposterous.

There is no genetic or historical evidence connecting Irish Type III/L226 with the Jews, the line of Joseph, the Khazars, the Bourbons, and so on (and on and on).

What is the point of continuing to participate in a Twilight Zone discussion like this?


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Maliclavelli on July 12, 2013, 03:22:33 PM

This is ridiculous, I mean utterly, incredibly ridiculous and preposterous.

I was reproached for having used the word "ridiculous" and what I criticized (and that made me ban from some forum) wasn't less "ridiculous" than this.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on July 12, 2013, 05:33:38 PM

This is ridiculous, I mean utterly, incredibly ridiculous and preposterous.

I was reproached for having used the word "ridiculous" and what I criticized (and that made me ban from some forum) wasn't less "ridiculous" than this.

I don't see anything wrong with calling an argument or an entire thread ridiculous. That is not an ad hominem attack. It is an attack on a preposterous argument and not on a person.



Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on July 13, 2013, 10:37:17 PM
You'll find traces of L226 in Kuwait (Ur); Khazachstan (Sythia) ; Egypt; Northern Spain (and perhaps Aragon) . . .

No, you won't.

This is ridiculous, I mean utterly, incredibly ridiculous and preposterous.

There is no genetic or historical evidence connecting Irish Type III/L226 with the Jews, the line of Joseph, the Khazars, the Bourbons, and so on (and on and on).

What is the point of continuing to participate in a Twilight Zone discussion like this?

People thought it was ridiculous when it was claimed the Earth was round. Where are they now? They are all dead!


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on July 13, 2013, 10:51:27 PM
You'll eventually figure out that L226 is Jewish and Bourbon. Its a matter of months. Someone - an expert - will figure it out, soon.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on July 13, 2013, 11:01:41 PM
Not all of the Irish are Jewish - just the Royal throne - the L226 O'Brien's. Did you know there were O'Brien's from Normandy? LeBrien


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on July 13, 2013, 11:07:39 PM
Who knew there Jews in Rouen? Who knew there were Jews in Scotland?  You need to have an open mind in genetics, especially when there is unexplained evidence.  I have an advantage: I already know the answer. It's up to the experts to fill in the blanks.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Dubhthach on July 14, 2013, 05:45:21 AM
Not all of the Irish are Jewish - just the Royal throne - the L226 O'Brien's. Did you know there were O'Brien's from Normandy? LeBrien

That makes no sense at all. If any SNP arose in Ireland it's L226.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on July 14, 2013, 07:19:15 AM
You'll eventually figure out that L226 is Jewish and Bourbon. Its a matter of months. Someone - an expert - will figure it out, soon.

No, because it's not, but a little bourbon sounds good.

By the way, there was never a time when most educated people believed the earth was flat, just as there never was a time when sensible people believed L226 was Jewish, and there never will be.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Webb on July 14, 2013, 09:38:20 AM
Not all of the Irish are Jewish - just the Royal throne - the L226 O'Brien's. Did you know there were O'Brien's from Normandy? LeBrien

Some of my family are Bryant's.  They are U152.  Keep in mind the name Bryan, Bryant was fairly common in France.  Your LeBrien is probably of a different haplogroup than the O'Briens.  There are over 30 Webb lineages in our project, none share the same lineage.  You can't assume people with similar surnames are genetic matches.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: inver2b1 on July 14, 2013, 08:58:13 PM
Who knew there Jews in Rouen? Who knew there were Jews in Scotland?  You need to have an open mind in genetics, especially when there is unexplained evidence.  I have an advantage: I already know the answer. It's up to the experts to fill in the blanks.

There is nothing to figure out, there is no evidence only emotion.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on July 26, 2013, 10:48:32 PM
A MONTH FROM TODAY IT WILL BE OVER. YOU'LL BE IN THE THREE DAYS OF DARKNESS AUGUST 22-25. LOUIS XVII LINE WILL RULE AGAIN WITH THE HIOLY POPE WHO IS ALSO OF THE ROYAL FRENCH BLOODLINE L226.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Jdean on July 27, 2013, 11:07:13 AM
A MONTH FROM TODAY IT WILL BE OVER. YOU'LL BE IN THE THREE DAYS OF DARKNESS AUGUST 22-25. LOUIS XVII LINE WILL RULE AGAIN WITH THE HIOLY POPE WHO IS ALSO OF THE ROYAL FRENCH BLOODLINE L226.

After that do you promise to leave us alone ?


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Webb on July 27, 2013, 05:40:23 PM
What's going down on August 26th?  I hope it's exciting.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Dubhthach on July 28, 2013, 05:54:19 AM
What's going down on August 26th?  I hope it's exciting.

Better stock up on Popcorn and bottled water!


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: seferhabahir on July 28, 2013, 12:38:04 PM
What's going down on August 26th?  I hope it's exciting.

I will be eating breakfast after making it through the Seattle Opera's Ring Cycle III:

August 20: Das Rheingold
August 21: Die Walküre
August 23: Siegfried
August 25: Götterdämmerung

Tickets still available (not to be confused with the Days of Darkness, although I believe that close to midnight on August 25 Valhalla burns, and the kingdom of the gods is destroyed...at least in Seattle)


 


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on July 29, 2013, 11:42:26 AM
A MONTH FROM TODAY IT WILL BE OVER. YOU'LL BE IN THE THREE DAYS OF DARKNESS AUGUST 22-25. LOUIS XVII LINE WILL RULE AGAIN WITH THE HIOLY POPE WHO IS ALSO OF THE ROYAL FRENCH BLOODLINE L226.

I have to go back to work on August 22nd, so, yeah, that will be a dark day for me, after having most of the summer off.

Nothing like settling the argument with a little apocalyptic wackiness.

I told you all this was a fun thread!


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: inver2b1 on July 29, 2013, 11:49:55 AM
2013 is a bit of a dud year, the world ended 3 times in 2012.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: OConnor on July 30, 2013, 02:09:10 PM
what a load of crap...this thread should be bundled up and burnt at the stake.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: inver2b1 on July 30, 2013, 03:34:27 PM
O'Connor, come on tell us how you really feel.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Webb on July 30, 2013, 06:49:10 PM
what a load of crap...this thread should be bundled up and burnt at the stake.

I agree, however, like a bad horror flick, I can't turn away.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: seferhabahir on August 03, 2013, 09:19:38 PM
Even Bennett Greenspan would have a hard time saying L21 (or Z251 or L226) had ancient Jewish roots.

Here is a summary for an upcoming talk he will be giving at IAJGS 2013 in Boston in August.

"Haplogroups - What They Are and What They Mean for Jews"  

Haplogroups ... can tell us a lot about our most distant ancestors and even give us an idea of 'when' our ancestors became Jews. As romantic as it is to presume that all of our ancestors stood at Mt. Sinai waiting for Moses to reappear, in truth only some of our ancestors were Jews 3200 years ago--Haplogroups can give us instant clues of when and perhaps where our ancestors joined the Jewish people. The lecture will deal primarily on Ashkenazim, both males and females.

Anyone have a question for Bennett? He's doing a "Breakfast with the Experts: Understanding DNA Testing and Results" on Monday morning. This is not a Jewish session, so I suppose I could ask him anything (assuming there is some time for Q&A). I believe he will be spending time in the FTDNA exhibit booth as well.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Maliclavelli on August 03, 2013, 10:04:25 PM

Anyone have a question for Bennett? He's doing a "Breakfast with the Experts: Understanding DNA Testing and Results" on Monday morning. This is not a Jewish session, so I suppose I could ask him anything (assuming there is some time for Q&A). I believe he will be spending time in the FTDNA exhibit booth as well.

I think he has already said much:

"Haplogroups ... can tell us a lot about our most distant ancestors and even give us an idea of 'when' our ancestors became Jews. As romantic as it is to presume that all of our ancestors stood at Mt. Sinai waiting for Moses to reappear, in truth only some of our ancestors were Jews 3200 years ago. Haplogroups can give us instant clues of when and perhaps where our ancestors joined the Jewish people. The lecture will deal primarily on Ashkenazim, both males and females."

About this I gave and am giving my contributes, that not everybody appreciate.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on August 04, 2013, 07:58:27 AM
Anyone have a question for Bennett? He's doing a "Breakfast with the Experts: Understanding DNA Testing and Results" on Monday morning. This is not a Jewish session, so I suppose I could ask him anything (assuming there is some time for Q&A). I believe he will be spending time in the FTDNA exhibit booth as well.

I want to ask him if and when FTDNA will get into testing the entire y chromosome. I would rather spend my money with him and FTDNA, whom I have found to be trustworthy, than with some other outfit.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: seferhabahir on August 04, 2013, 07:11:52 PM
I want to ask him if and when FTDNA will get into testing the entire y chromosome. I would rather spend my money with him and FTDNA, whom I have found to be trustworthy, than with some other outfit.

I asked, but he was not willing to provide a specific answer at this time. Like any good business person, he did agree he would rather see you spend your money with FTDNA, instead of other places.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on August 05, 2013, 04:45:37 PM
I want to ask him if and when FTDNA will get into testing the entire y chromosome. I would rather spend my money with him and FTDNA, whom I have found to be trustworthy, than with some other outfit.

I asked, but he was not willing to provide a specific answer at this time. Like any good business person, he did agree he would rather see you spend your money with FTDNA, instead of other places.

Thanks for asking. At least he knows the market for such testing is out there and some of it is already waiting for FTDNA.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on August 05, 2013, 07:01:22 PM
There are 12 Catholic Churches here - the 12 gates to Heaven (see Revelation). 7 are related to Mary. 2 are related to two popes. And 1 to the Holy trinity. The other two are St Francois de Sales (feast Jan 24 Muhammad's birthday) and the final church is St Rose of Lima (August 23.)  There are 5 Marian feast days in August.


But the end does not come then as I had hoped. It comes on Dec 13, 2013 - the feast of Our Lady of Guadoulpe. 

If you read genesis, you`ll see Noah first saw the new land on the first day of the tenth month. That`s Dec 13.  He was onboard the arc since 1 year 10 days. So what happened on Decc3 2012  If you check you`ll find that there were serious signs in the Heavens  (Egyptian Pyrmadids) 

That`s all I have to say. See you on the other side...I hope!


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on August 05, 2013, 09:12:50 PM
 8    24 The waters flooded the earth for one hundred and fifty days. 1 Then God remembered Noah and all the animals and cattle that were with him in the ark. God made a wind blow over the earth and the waters subsided.



2 Then the fountains of the deep and the floodgates of the heavens were closed and the downpour from the heavens held back.



3 The waters receded from the earth and after one hundred and fifty days the waters had abated. 4 In the seventh month, in the seventeenth day of the month [AUGUST 23, 2013], the ark rested on Mount Ararat. 5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month. On the first day of the tenth month [DEC 13, 2013]the mountain tops could be seen.



[0.86 = CREATION OF UNIVERSE =SIN 1 RAD=COS 1 RAD = BASE E / PI]



6 At the end of the forty days Noah opened the window of the ark that he had built 7 and let the raven out. This went off and kept flying to and fro un­til the waters had dried up from the earth.



8 Then Noah let out the dove to see if the waters were receding from the earth. 9 But the dove could not find a place to set its foot and flew back to him in the ark for the waters still covered the surface of the whole earth. So Noah stretched out his hand, took hold of it and brought it back to himself in the ark. 10 He waited some more days and again sent the dove out from the ark. 11 This time the dove [HOLY SPIRIT]came back to him in the evening with a fresh olive branch in its beak.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on August 06, 2013, 09:16:52 AM
As entertaining as it might be, I don't think this is the proper venue for apocalyptic claims (especially incoherent ones). Given the nature of the rest of your "arguments", it's not at all surprising that you've gone down that road, however.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on August 11, 2013, 09:20:13 PM
Well we'll see who is incoherent on April 3, 2014.  Expect something to happen on August 23, 2013, then again on Dec 13, 2013.

Its 112 days from Dec 8 2012 - March 30, 2013.
It is 150 days from March 25, 2013 - August 23, 2013.
It is 112 days from Dec 13, 2013 - April 3, 2014. 

That's the End. But its way over all your heads.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on August 11, 2013, 09:23:49 PM
I forgot,

 Its 112 days from August 23, 2013 - Dec 13, 2013.

Genetics is over your heads as well.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on August 12, 2013, 09:59:39 AM
Thanks for the heads up.

Some similar goofiness from the 19th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millerism)

Some more from the 16th (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnster_Rebellion)

Some from even further back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montanism)


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on August 25, 2013, 11:36:51 PM
Cusack L226 comes from MacIsog  / Kessog / Ceasog.

St Kessog (Kessocks Hill) came from the royal house of Munster, O'Brien. The royal House of Munster comes from  Hebert. Hebert was son of Mileisus, from Spain, Egypt, Sythia/ Jewish Khazaria.  They descended from the 10 lost tribes of Israel - the House of Joseph the patriarch.

Now the royal house of France descends from Machir of Narbonne also of the house of David and therefore Israel.

Louis XVII ended up in Ireland by the work of Sir Edmund Burke. He put him with his niece Mary Bourke of Tipperary.  Her father was Henry Bourke.

"All that need happen for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

Its really not that complicated. 



Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: seferhabahir on August 26, 2013, 01:08:06 PM
What's going down on August 26th?  I hope it's exciting.

I will be eating breakfast after making it through the Seattle Opera's Ring Cycle III:

August 20: Das Rheingold
August 21: Die Walküre
August 23: Siegfried
August 25: Götterdämmerung

Tickets still available (not to be confused with the Days of Darkness, although I believe that close to midnight on August 25 Valhalla burns, and the kingdom of the gods is destroyed...at least in Seattle)



Just finished my breakfast. And true to predictions, last night Brunhilde met her death in the fire, the Rhine flooded the Gibichung castle, Valhalla burned, the gods met their fate, and the world began anew. Speight Jenkins, Jr. also retired (you'll have to google that one).


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: seferhabahir on August 26, 2013, 01:26:21 PM
Quote from: seferhabahir link=topic=12283.msg147276#msg147276
True to predictions, last night Brunhilde met her death in the fire, the Rhine flooded the Gibichung castle, Valhalla burned, the gods met their fate, and the world began anew.

And I bought the official souvenir T-shirt as a memento.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: Webb on August 26, 2013, 06:22:32 PM
Where is our friend Cusack.  I'm a bit disappointed as August 22nd through 25th came and went without the three days of darkness.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: gtc on August 27, 2013, 06:56:51 AM
This forum really has hit the skids.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: seferhabahir on August 27, 2013, 11:53:58 AM
This forum really has hit the skids.

Zu End' ewiges Wissen! Der Welt melden Weise nichts mehr.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: gtc on August 27, 2013, 08:59:03 PM
Zu End' ewiges Wissen! Der Welt melden Weise nichts mehr.

Yep:

http://tinyurl.com/ngvpn8a


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on August 31, 2013, 02:15:51 AM
Here I am.  The war in the Syria is Armageddon.  Russia and the US will go head to head very soon.  There will be a massive earthquake in Vancouver to Hollywood and England will be sunk.  Them there will be hailstones.  Its a matter a just days. It depends upon how long a nuclear war takes in the Middle East. Then comes the wedding of the Lamb.  We are in Revelation 16-22 - the end of the Bible.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: on the edge on August 31, 2013, 07:29:30 PM
Drat, I was hoping to get my Full Genomes results back before the end. I wonder which will be sooner?


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on September 01, 2013, 09:07:17 AM
Drat, I was hoping to get my Full Genomes results back before the end. I wonder which will be sooner?

You never know.

http://www.wrbl.com/story/23106280/midland-man-dies-after-tree-limb-accidently (http://www.wrbl.com/story/23106280/midland-man-dies-after-tree-limb-accidently)


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: OConnor on September 09, 2013, 04:26:54 PM
I'll go out on a limb and predict "On The Edge" gets his results before the End. ;)


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: inver2b1 on September 13, 2013, 01:35:36 PM
Here I am.  The war in the Syria is Armageddon.  Russia and the US will go head to head very soon.  There will be a massive earthquake in Vancouver to Hollywood and England will be sunk.  Them there will be hailstones.  Its a matter a just days. It depends upon how long a nuclear war takes in the Middle East. Then comes the wedding of the Lamb.  We are in Revelation 16-22 - the end of the Bible.

Revelation, that acid trip has nothing on Ragnarok!


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on September 21, 2013, 11:10:20 PM
CLARE co CUSACKS There is a more ancient Cusack family that is RL21 L226 positive - of Brian Boru lineage.They are known as the Clare co Cusacks and are not related to the French Norman variety at all. . They live in the Shannon river area. The common ancestor they have with the O'Briens is Brian Boru's father Cennétig mac Lorcáin. His father, the grandfather was Coscrach which means "the victor." This Cusack family splits from the Mahone who are also L226 positive. So there are two distinct Cusack families in Ireland - one from Meath the other from Clare co.

Queen Elizabeth's ancestor is Sir Thomas Cusack who is of the Norman variety.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on September 22, 2013, 08:06:09 PM
L226 is pretty solidly Dalcassian all the way around. It is the SNP that characterizes the Irish Type III haplotype. There is no "French Norman variety".

L226 has not yet been found in France. If it ever is found there, you can bet a Munster Irishman is behind it.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on September 22, 2013, 08:17:30 PM
Speaking of County Clare and the river Shannon, that is where we stayed when we went to Ireland last March, specifically in Mountshannon, right on beautiful Lough Derg (part of the Shannon). We stayed in the Hawthorn Lodge Bed & Breakfast (http://www.mountshannon-clare.com/) in Mountshannon, which I highly highly highly recommend. Did I say I recommend it highly? Well, I do. It was fantastic.

Our hosts, the Hogan family, are wonderful, friendly people. I recruited Mr. Hogan for y-dna testing and - wonder of wonders - he turned out to have the Irish Type III haplotype and eventually tested L226+. (Hogan is one of the Dalcassian surnames.)

If you go to Ireland - and you should -, do yourself a favor and stay with the Hogan family at the Hawthorn Lodge B&B. Mrs. Hogan's tasty Irish breakfast will last you all day, so you'll save money on lunch, which you can skip. Then go have dinner in one of the pubs. We loved the Half Barrel, which is just up the road about five minutes in nearby Whitegate.

Memories!

Now my daughter Anna says she is going to move to Ireland when she grows up.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on September 26, 2013, 05:38:50 PM
I've got a perfect match on 12 markers with a Long in Y Search. We are separated by 210 years.I'm separated from the O'Briens 1020 years.    Phillip de Long was a Bourbon. So much for open scientific thinking. Eventually you will catch on!


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on September 26, 2013, 06:19:00 PM
Today, Sept 27,  is the birthday of Louis XIII at 10:15 PM.  It is also  the 7 th anniversary of revealing who the antichrist is. See Revelation 13. If you are clever, you can figure it out. I did.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on September 26, 2013, 07:42:00 PM
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE ROYAL HOUSE OF ISRAEL, my mothers father is a LeClair but his DNA is Spanish.  The Acadians were Spanish, French and Irish. The Spaniards are Sephardic. 

My mothers famer's mother was a native North American Indian. We're told they are from the tribe of Manasseh. Manasseh is son of Joseph and brother to Ephraim. Joseph is Jewish royalty.

My mother's mothers parents were Brodericks and Broaders. these are both descended from Mileisus - of Jewish Khazaria.   The Northern tribes of Israel migrated north to Kazakhstan.

My fathers mothers family is McLaughlin and Anderson - two strongly Scotish surnames. The Scots are Jewish.

My grand fathers grandfather's father was Louis XVII. His father is French, his mother Austrian - Marie Antoniette.

So the great monarch has Spanish, German and French bloodlines as predicted by the Saints. 

But I bore you. Need I go on?




Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on September 26, 2013, 08:36:26 PM
No, don't bother going on. Your assertions are utterly without merit. You offer no evidence to support them, and they are so fantastically wild and incredible (in the true sense of that word) as to be unworthy of serious consideration.

Good grief.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on September 27, 2013, 01:40:07 PM
I don't care too much anyways. I'm not the heir. And I'm 46. My life is almost over.  I have no interest in France nor the Catholic Church. I just find it fun to solve puzzles.My Y search ID is cc39h. there is a Head (Caput?) , Kesseler, and Long who are identical matches. 

I forgot, the ancestor of the Kings of France is Machir of Narbonne - another Jewish King.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: seferhabahir on September 30, 2013, 08:18:29 PM
I forgot, the ancestor of the Kings of France is Machir of Narbonne - another Jewish King.

I think it's time to close down the thread (if that's possible on this forum). The first post I ever did here was about the Machir of Narbonne, and I'm not going bring it all up again. I think the end has arrived for any serious discussion.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: rms2 on October 01, 2013, 07:43:11 PM
I forgot, the ancestor of the Kings of France is Machir of Narbonne - another Jewish King.

I think it's time to close down the thread (if that's possible on this forum). The first post I ever did here was about the Machir of Narbonne, and I'm not going bring it all up again. I think the end has arrived for any serious discussion.

I agree, and I was going to do it, but, even though I am a moderator, I don't see a "Close Thread" function on my screen.

This thread has got to be the nuttiest I have ever seen in my nearly eight years of participation at various dna discussions forums.


Title: Re: Jewish roots for L226?
Post by: pcusack1 on October 13, 2013, 08:30:15 AM
These forums are a waste of time. I've never learned anything from them.  All they are is that when someone introduces something radical, the immature watches jump all over it with insults.  It show the mentality of the users. I quit. I'm sure you'll be happy. God luck!