World Families Forums

General Forums - Note: You must Be Logged In to post. Anyone can browse. => R1b General => Topic started by: Maliclavelli on March 07, 2013, 05:23:11 AM



Title: Another interesting Italian haplotype
Post by: Maliclavelli on March 07, 2013, 05:23:11 AM
266227   Giuseppi Marchesi b. 1856   Unknown Origin   R1b1a2    
13   24   15   10   13-15   12   12   12   13   13   29   18   9-10   11   12   27   15   19    28   12-12-15-15   11   11   20-24   15   13   16   17   32-35   12   11   

Another interesting Italian haplotype has appeared in the “Italy FTDNA Project”. He is labelled as R1b1a2 in green, but we haven’t his SNP test results.
From his data he could be also an R-V88+, the first found in Italy, even though, having in Sardinia R-M18, the presence in Italy of this haplogroup was presupposed.

The R-V88+ values could be:
DYS454=12
DYS464=12-12-15-15
YCAII= 20-24
DYS438=11

I think that a SNP test is needed, also because if he weren’t R-V88+, he could be another very interesting Italian haplotype.


Title: Re: Another interesting Italian haplotype
Post by: Richard Rocca on March 07, 2013, 12:33:14 PM
A Y-HAP-Backbone test has already been ordered for this test, so we should know more in a few months.


Title: Re: Another interesting Italian haplotype
Post by: Maliclavelli on March 07, 2013, 12:39:14 PM
A Y-HAP-Backbone test has already been ordered for this test, so we should know more in a few months.

I thank you fo this, but what a pity that we need months.


Title: Re: Another interesting Italian haplotype
Post by: Richard Rocca on March 07, 2013, 12:52:33 PM
A Y-HAP-Backbone test has already been ordered for this test, so we should know more in a few months.

I thank you fo this, but what a pity that we need months.

Well, I put months because it hasn't been batched yet, so I always assume a month and a half to two months.


Title: Re: Another interesting Italian haplotype
Post by: scotsman on March 07, 2013, 07:50:15 PM


From the previous posting above could there be any relationship between our MacNeil Group Study as a close family?

The R-V88+ values could be:

DYS454=12
DYS464=12-12-15-15
YCAII= 20-24
DYS438=11

MacNeil DNA Study
Terminal Clade L165 (R1b1a2a1a1b1a2a1)

DYS454=11
DYS464=14-15-16-17
YCAII= 19-22
DYS438=12


Title: Re: Another interesting Italian haplotype
Post by: Maliclavelli on March 08, 2013, 01:03:02 AM
MacNeil DNA Study
Terminal Clade L165 (R1b1a2a1a1b1a2a1)
DYS454=11
DYS464=14-15-16-17
YCAII= 19-22
DYS438=12

These values are close to the modal for all the R1b1a2 haplogroups (with YCAII=19-23) and very far from the others.


Title: Re: Another interesting Italian haplotype
Post by: Maliclavelli on April 14, 2013, 03:36:46 AM
266227   Giuseppi Marchesi b. 1856   Unknown Origin   R1b1a2    
13   24   15   10   13-15   12   12   12   13   13   29   18   9-10   11   12   27   15   19    28   12-12-15-15   11   11   20-24   15   13   16   17   32-35   12   11   

Another interesting Italian haplotype has appeared in the “Italy FTDNA Project”. He is labelled as R1b1a2 in green, but we haven’t his SNP test results.
From his data he could be also an R-V88+, the first found in Italy, even though, having in Sardinia R-M18, the presence in Italy of this haplogroup was presupposed.

The R-V88+ values could be:
DYS454=12
DYS464=12-12-15-15
YCAII= 20-24
DYS438=11

I think that a SNP test is needed, also because if he weren’t R-V88+, he could be another very interesting Italian haplotype.


I am seeing now that Marchesi (266227) has resulted M269+ and put amongst the R-M269 in the “Italy FTDNA Project”. I was expecting that Rocca said something.
I wrote that the STRs values of Marchesi were those of R-V88+, but also that if he were actually R-M269 his case would have been even more interesting. We have now in Italy two R-M269 (Mangino from Tuscany and Marchesi from Piedmont) whose values are close to R-V88+ and to R1b1/L389. Isn’t this interesting, I’d say astonishingly?

Haven’t we in Italy the most varied R-M269 all over the world? Wouldn’t it be the case to test them at least for Geno 2.0?


Title: Re: Another interesting Italian haplotype
Post by: Curtis Pigman(Pigmon) on April 14, 2013, 09:34:34 AM
MacNeil DNA Study
Terminal Clade L165 (R1b1a2a1a1b1a2a1)
DYS454=11
DYS464=14-15-16-17
YCAII= 19-22
DYS438=12

These values are close to the modal for all the R1b1a2 haplogroups (with YCAII=19-23) and very far from the others.

My YCAII=19-23 also.  It is beginning to look as though my origins are Piemonte (English Piedmont) as well.


Title: Re: Another interesting Italian haplotype
Post by: Maliclavelli on April 23, 2013, 09:17:08 AM
I am seeing now that Marchesi (266227) has resulted M269+ and put amongst the R-M269 in the “Italy FTDNA Project”. I was expecting that Rocca said something.
I wrote that the STRs values of Marchesi were those of R-V88+, but also that if he were actually R-M269 his case would have been even more interesting. We have now in Italy two R-M269 (Mangino from Tuscany and Marchesi from Piedmont) whose values are close to R-V88+ and to R1b1/L389. Isn’t this interesting, I’d say astonishingly?

Haven’t we in Italy the most varied R-M269 all over the world? Wouldn’t it be the case to test them at least for Geno 2.0?


1
There is a Saxton on SMGF who is certainly close to Marchese, but not so close to be linked recently.
13 24 15 10 13-15 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 12 26 15 19 28 12-12-15-17 11 11 21-24 15 13 11 12 14 11 11 12 25 11 13 12 30 25
Also the values not tested by Marchese are very interesting.
2
My Saxton is ySearch WW7U7 but you can see also 6PTZQ and above all H7HZ3 with more values, very interesting, who is tested R1b1, probably V88+ like I said.
3
This is the Saxton in R1b1 FTDNA Project:
85514   Saxton        Unknown Origin   R1b1    13   24   15   10   13-15   12   12   11   13   13   etc.

Victory, once more. Gioiello