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Title: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: onegunn on November 29, 2012, 09:19:34 PM
I'm in that haplogroup, looking for match's.


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: rms2 on November 29, 2012, 09:57:25 PM
I'm in that haplogroup, looking for match's.

You're P312+, right?

What all have you been tested for?


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: onegunn on November 29, 2012, 10:29:53 PM
Hi rms2,
R-P312, is what it says. Y-DNA - Standard Y-STR Values 111 DYS results. Not sure what else, taken just about all the tests. Not sure what it all means, could use some help in that area.
Thanks for the reply,
Bill


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: ArmandoR1b on November 29, 2012, 10:57:02 PM
Hi rms2,
R-P312, is what it says. Y-DNA - Standard Y-STR Values 111 DYS results. Not sure what else, taken just about all the tests. Not sure what it all means, could use some help in that area.
Thanks for the reply,
Bill

I am P312. Did you or a genetic match get a Deep Clade test? The Deep Clade tests for SNPs which are also called subclades. I am L176.2+ SRY2627- as far as SNPs are concerned.


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: rms2 on November 30, 2012, 04:55:00 AM
@onegunn

Look at the top of your Haplotree page. There should be a list there of all the SNPs you were tested for.


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: onegunn on November 30, 2012, 05:48:30 PM
I got the deep clade tests. I had the 111 marker test.

P312+ U152- U106- SRY2627- M65- M153- L21- L2- L193- L176.2- L165- 

Y-DNA  R1b1a2a1a1b  Shorthand  R-P312  mtDNA  J1c5a 

Thinking about getting the Family Finder and Factoids tests. I use FTDNA.

Bill


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: chris1 on November 30, 2012, 06:10:23 PM
I got the deep clade tests. I had the 111 marker test.

P312+ U152- U106- SRY2627- M65- M153- L21- L2- L193- L176.2- L165- 

Y-DNA  R1b1a2a1a1b  Shorthand  R-P312  mtDNA  J1c5a 

Thinking about getting the Family Finder and Factoids tests. I use FTDNA.

Bill
Hi Bill. If you give your FTDNA kit number/YSearch ID people can advise better by looking at your haplotype.

Looks like you have not tested one of the 'big three' brother SNPs in R-P312 yet. That is DF27. The other two are L21 and U152 and you are negative for them.


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: onegunn on November 30, 2012, 08:06:42 PM
What does it all mean so far?


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: Jdean on November 30, 2012, 08:28:48 PM
What does it all mean so far?

Well you are definitely P312+ something, are there still SNP tests pending ?


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: onegunn on November 30, 2012, 08:47:45 PM
FTDNA 222038, no all my tests are complete. How can you look at my dna results?


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: Jdean on November 30, 2012, 09:18:21 PM
FTDNA 222038, no all my tests are complete. How can you look at my dna results?

As long as you are in a project that displays the results then it's not normally to hard to find.

You have tested L21 neg so you need to go down the P312* root, not my speciality but probably a test for DF27 is in order.

You seem to be in a quite tight cluster defined by

DYS19 = 13
DYS437 = 14
DYS568 = 12


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: onegunn on November 30, 2012, 09:32:51 PM
Thanks Jdean, what exactly does that mean? Is that a geographic cluster? A dna cluster? Sorry, I'm real new to this.
Bill


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: onegunn on November 30, 2012, 09:38:38 PM
Found my ysearch id BSTUQ

I figured out how to see the dna there also.

Bill


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: rms2 on November 30, 2012, 09:40:02 PM
DF27 is the SNP that characterizes a major P312+ subclade that is spread all across continental Europe and into the British Isles. It's a big one. You should test for it.


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: kevin.miller on December 16, 2012, 10:22:29 PM
I'm in that haplogroup, looking for match's.

Hi:

I am DF19+, testing for L644 right now.

Kevin Miller


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: onegunn on December 21, 2012, 10:23:23 PM
Response to my email by FTDNA,
"You cannot order any more SNPs off of the Haplotree because R-P312 was determined to be your terminal SNP. You were already tested for everything downstream from P312 and tested negative for everything else downstream of it. P312 would be the only positive SNP you tested for."
I guess DF27 don't matter?
So what does that say, no point in testing DF27? Maybe it would be a DF27-.
"tested negative for everything else downstream" ??? What???
Any words of wisdom appreciated.
Bill


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: df.reynolds on December 21, 2012, 10:53:19 PM
Response to my email by FTDNA,
"You cannot order any more SNPs off of the Haplotree because R-P312 was determined to be your terminal SNP. You were already tested for everything downstream from P312 and tested negative for everything else downstream of it. P312 would be the only positive SNP you tested for."
I guess DF27 don't matter?
So what does that say, no point in testing DF27? Maybe it would be a DF27-.
"tested negative for everything else downstream" ??? What???
Any words of wisdom appreciated.
Bill
They are, to a certain extent, correct. R-P312 is your terminal SNP [on their horribly out-of-date near useless haplotree], with the net result that you are unable to order any any other SNPs off of their [incomplete, missing any SNPs added in the last three years] haplotree.

For a current picture of the R-P312 tree, see the ISOGG Hg R tree at:
http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR.html

To order DF27, go to your FTDNA home page. Click on the "Order an Upgrade" button in the upper-right corner of the page. Then click on "Order an Advanced Test". Type "DF27" into the Marker box, select "SNP" from the Test Type pulldown. Click "Add" on the line for DF27, then "NEXT" and proceed with checkout.

FTDNA is supposed to be updating their tree in conjunction with Geno 2.0, so hopefully we will see a revised tree from them relatively soon.

Regards,
david


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: onegunn on December 23, 2012, 08:20:34 PM
I went to the advanced test page and found quite a few tests I qualify for, including DF27, went all the way to charge my card $49 before I backed out.
I wonder wtf is going on?


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: Webb on December 23, 2012, 10:21:59 PM
Bill, if you haven't done it yet, please join "the P312 and subclades project" on FTDNA.  When you do you will most likely receive an email from one of the admins giving you some advice on where to proceed next.  You did the right thing by following the advice from the other members as far as looking into DF27.  R1b-M269 is the largest haplogroup in Western Europe.  That group then splits into two large groups.  One being U106 which is found in Britain, Scandanavia, and northern Germany.  It is generally associated with the Saxon invasions.  The other, larger, group is P312.  This group is huge.  It consists of L21, which is found in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Spain, and France.  Ireland is around 90% L21.  U152 is another branch which is found in northern Italy heading west through eastern Spain and north through Britain.  The third group is Df27.  This group has the largest distribution of the three.  It is found from Britain, south to Spain, then east all the way to the Slavic countries including Poland.  It is as far north as southern Germany and as far south as northern Germany.  There are a few other smaller groups just downstream of P312 but they are a little more regionalized.  If you are L21- and U152-, then you should definitely test DF27.
Billy Webb


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: Webb on December 23, 2012, 11:17:14 PM
Sorry, I meant from southern Germany south to northern Italy in regards to DF27.


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: onegunn on December 24, 2012, 09:33:25 PM
Latest reply from FTDNA, "Our current Haplotree indicates you have no other SNPs to test because the Deep Clade does all the testing on our Haplotree. Of course, there are other newer SNPs that we offer as part of testing that are not currently on our tree. So, if you would like to order an individual SNP that you have not tested, it will not show on the Haplotree but you can still order it."
They should highlight our, as in OUR haplotree.
So they will do other tests and let me know the results but it won't change my FTDNA haplogroup until more snps are listed in ftdna's haplotree.
So I guess I'll go back and order the DF27???
Maybe I'll wait until after the new year......
Thanks for all your help, I hope all of you have a nice one.
Bill


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: gtc on December 25, 2012, 08:41:18 AM
Latest reply from FTDNA, "Our current Haplotree indicates you have no other SNPs to test because the Deep Clade does all the testing on our Haplotree. Of course, there are other newer SNPs that we offer as part of testing that are not currently on our tree. So, if you would like to order an individual SNP that you have not tested, it will not show on the Haplotree but you can still order it."
They should highlight our, as in OUR haplotree.
So they will do other tests and let me know the results but it won't change my FTDNA haplogroup until more snps are listed in ftdna's haplotree.
So I guess I'll go back and order the DF27???
Maybe I'll wait until after the new year......
Thanks for all your help, I hope all of you have a nice one.
Bill

The word "current" should not be used in conjunction with haplotree in FTDNA's case.

It remains to be seen what FTDNA ends up doing about its hopelessly out of date haplotree now that Geno 2.0 is here.


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: Pasquale Goglia on November 10, 2013, 09:21:39 PM
I tested as R1b1a2a1a1b (R-P312). I tested negative for U106, I am waiting for results for U152 (FTDNA 8 wks and counting). I tested U106 because my name is prominent in areas the Longobards (Lombards) ruled. This is especially true in the Italian provinces of Benevento and Salerno. A variation of my name is located in the regions of Piemonte and Lombardia, again areas of strength for the Longobards. In these provinces, the name is Goglio (note the Pope's name is Bergoglio). Goglia can also be found in the area of Trieste. In Slovenia and Croatia (Istria), the spelling is Slavic, Golja. All these areas were places of strength for the Longobards. I tested U152 (Italo-Celtic) because the Celts were in Fruili when the Longobards invaded Italy. I have read they were allies. In order to cover all bases, a fellow Italian with the same last name as mine tested for L21 (North Atlantic) which appears to be the location of most of the R1b1a2a1a1b Hgroup. Although U152 is more prominent in the North of Italy, it does extend into the south (Campania). I referred to a map on the Eupedia web page and this page http://goo.gl/r3H8Mx


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: brownbagg on November 24, 2013, 01:42:17 PM
one gunn, you might want to considering ordering now, just because some of the test has been taken as long as 12 weeks to complete, so if you order after the new year it could be april or may before results come in


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: Castlebob on November 24, 2013, 02:02:13 PM
Would I be correct in assuming you have links to the far north Scotland?


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: Castlebob on November 25, 2013, 02:00:58 PM
The Sutherland Clan were said to have Freskin the Fleming as their progenitor. From memory, aren't the Gunns neighbours of theirs? I looked up your Y-search & we're a GD of 28/67, so not remotely recent. However, I've been classified as having Beaker Folk as ancestors, and there was a Beaker hot-spot  in Flemish regions of the Netherlands & Belgium. I've recently been classified as R1b-S389 - ie L624+ in FTDNA parlance.
My research shows my surname progenitor was most likely Flemish. Gravestones of people with my surname  from the 16th C show heraldry links to Flemings, plus all the people the surname wed in the 13th C were probably Flemish. The Flemish followed the law of 'nobilitas', and were encouraged to marry their own kind.
Very conjectural, but thought I'd mention it.


Title: Re: Any R1b1a2a1a1b's out there?
Post by: brownbagg on December 17, 2013, 12:04:47 AM
on the ftdna page, look for a pattern of name that you match with, if you match with a lot of people with the same name, see what snp that they are positive for and follow that route instead of spending wasted money