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Title: Is Ferrero really ungrouped?
Post by: Maliclavelli on July 10, 2012, 07:09:43 AM
In the “Italy DNA Project”, administrated by Vincent Vizachero and Richard Rocca (but if Vizachero has come back to his plants we have to keep responsible Rocca alone) there is, amongst the “ungrouped”, Ferrero (47633 John Alexander Ferrero b.1850 Torino, Italy).
These are his values:
12 25 14 11 12-14 11 12 12 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 20 30 16-16-16-17 10 11 17-22 15 16 18 17 36-38 12 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 11 11 12 21-23 16 10 12 12 16 8 13 22 20 14 12 11 13 11 11 12 12

He is clearly a R1b1a2/M269* and I have studied him from many years with the other Italians with YCAII=17-23, only that he has 17-22, and, being he from Piedmont, he demonstrates that this haplotype isn’t present only in South Italy but overall.


Title: Re: Is Ferrero really ungrouped?
Post by: Richard Rocca on July 10, 2012, 04:55:03 PM
In the “Italy DNA Project”, administrated by Vincent Vizachero and Richard Rocca (but if Vizachero has come back to his plants we have to keep responsible Rocca alone) there is, amongst the “ungrouped”, Ferrero (47633 John Alexander Ferrero b.1850 Torino, Italy).
These are his values:
12 25 14 11 12-14 11 12 12 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 20 30 16-16-16-17 10 11 17-22 15 16 18 17 36-38 12 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 11 11 12 21-23 16 10 12 12 16 8 13 22 20 14 12 11 13 11 11 12 12

He is clearly a R1b1a2/M269* and I have studied him from many years with the other Italians with YCAII=17-23, only that he has 17-22, and, being he from Piedmont, he demonstrates that this haplotype isn’t present only in South Italy but overall.


Ungrouped means "hasn't been grouped yet", so not sure why you are getting upset over it. Either way, I put him in the R1a1b2 group and asked that he order more testing.