The purpose of this page is to discuss our DNA results.
At the very least, we hope to use this page to present a general discussion of each lineage identified in the Carey/Cary DNA project. The project identifies a lineage when DNA tests on two or more men show a high probability that they have a common ancestor since the use of surnames became common. Currently, we have 12 identified lineages, one of which is not connected to the name Carey/Cary (see below). For each lineage, we look for a volunteer coordinator who will facilitate communication among project members interested in that lineage and promote the gathering of more information about the lineage through further DNA tests and traditional genealogical research. If you are interested in receiving and/or providing information about a lineage, please contact the lineage coordinator. If no coordinator is identified, please contact the project administrator. For more detailed y-DNA results for the men in our lineages and their individual pedigrees please visit our Results and Patriarch pages.
Haplogroup E - For a general discussion of Haplogroup E click here.
There are currently threeproject members from Haplogroup E, a haplogroup whose origins are thought to have been in northern Africa. These three men do not have close matches to each other.
Haplogroup G - For a general discussion of Haplogroup G click here.
There is currently one project member from Haplogroup G, a haplogroup believed to have originated on the eastern edge of the middle east. It has been suggested that Haplogroup G might be an important genetic marker for the spread of agriculture in the Neolithic period.
Haplogroup I - For a general discussion of Haplogroup I click here.
There are currently five project members from Haplogroup I. Three of them are predicted to be I1, a sub-clade that is thought to have arisen in Scandanavia and is very common in northern Europe. It is also found in countries invaded by Germanic tribes and the Vikings. Two of these men have a close enough match to be identified as a lineage. The fourth project member in this haplogroup is predicted to be I2a2a, a sub-clade associated with Germanic peoples, the Vikings and other areas of Central Europe.
Haplogroup I Lineage I
Haplogroup I Lineage I consists of two project members at this time, both spelling their name Kary. Although their connection has not been identified, they have each identified earliest ancestors from nearby villages very close to the French border in the Rastatt district of Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany. The Alsace district of France lies just to the west, across the river Rhine. They do not have an identified connection to another branch of Karys from this area who are known to have emigrated to the Ukraine in the 1800s where they gave their name to the villages of Chutor Kary (Ukranian name Michailovka) and Gut Kary, that were located on the western side of the Bug river not far from the Black Sea. The patriarch of that group was a Michael Kary. During the time that Chutor Kary area was under Russian control, many Karys apparently had their surname transformed from Kary (Кари) to Karij (Карий).
Haplogroup R - There are three men identified at from Haplogroup R but currently not assigned to either Haplogroup R1a or R1b.
Haplogroup R1a - For a general discussion of Haplogroup R1a click here.
Currently there are six project members from Haplogroup R1a1. Three of these men have no close matches in the project. However, two of them have DYS388=10, which Klyosov (click here, pages 217-256) identified as a mutation observed in R1a men from northern and western Europe and absent in R1a men from areas further east and south. The other three men are members of the same lineage. They do not have DYS388=10.
Haplogroup R1a Lineage I
Haplogroup R1a Lineage I consists of three project members at this time. Two have provided pedigrees but their family connection has not been identified.
Haplogroup R1b - For a general discussion of Haplogroup R1b click here.
Most of the men in the Carey/Cary project are members of Haplogroup R1b, which is the most frequently occurring haplogroup in Western Europe. Excluding three members of a non-Carey lineage described below, 27 of the 83 men in this haplogroup do not have a close match within the project. Nine of the men with no close match in the project have undergone deep clade testing. The results indicate that they are from different R1b sub-clades.
We have identified eleven lineages among the remaining men.
These results clearly indicate multiple origins for both Carey and Cary families.
Haplogroup R1b Lineage I
Haplogroup R1b Lineage I currently consists of 9 men assigned to the lineage and 2 more possible members. The men in this lineage are positive for the SNP M269 which places them in the R1b1a2 haplogroup. Several of them have undergone specific deep clade testing to further refine their haplogroup beyond M269. The results to date indicate that this group is positive for the SNP currently known as L226, which places them in the M269 cluster currently known as Irish Type III. More information on L226 sub-clade is available here.
Five of the men in the lineage are connected in a single tree in which the earliest known ancestor is Thomas Cary, whose family emigrated from England in the 1660s, living first in Virginia and then Maryland. Two other members of this lineage have a suspected but currently unidentified connection to this group. Their tree begins in Maryland and a comparison of their DNA results with the men above suggests a most recent common ancestor not many generations before the start of their tree.
Thomas Cary patented ‘Carys adventure’ on Great Monye Creek in Somerset Co., MD in 1666. Later, possibly in the 1670s, some of the family moved to Deleware where they are said to have owned lands in the present day Assateague Island area and in and around Lewes and Rehobeth.
Haplogroup R1b Lineage II
There are currently 5 men identified as members of Haplogroup R1b Lineage II and another possible member. Family connections for four members are identified in a pedigree that begins with a James Cary who was living in Abingdon parish, Gloucester Co. Virginia in the 1689. The pedigree presented here differs in the early generations from that given by Fairfax Harrison in his book The Virginia Carys (Devine Press NY 1919), which mainly focused on descendants of early Virginia immigrant Miles Cary. Harrison could find no evidence for a positive identification of this James but rejected suggestions that James was a descendant of Miles Cary. At this time, that rejection is supported by results from the Carey/Cary DNA project since there is not a close match between the members of this lineage and the DNA results of the single project member who has submitted a pedigree linking himself to Miles. However, before concluding that to be the case, it would be desirable to have a lineage with Miles as the patriarch which requires more project members from his line.
Haplogroup R1b Lineage III
There are three members of this lineage at this time. All three of them show earliest identified ancestors from the Bahamas. Pedigrees have been submitted all thee of these members. Two members are linked in one pedigree. The pedigree of the third project member of this lineage goes back as far as the early 1800s but a family connection to the others has not been identified. Deep clade testing for one of these men indicates that he is a member of the P312 subclade of R1b.
There were Careys connected to the Bahamas from its earliest days as an English colony. Eleuthera is the oldest settled island in the group. The first enumeration of the inhabitants of Eleuthera, which likely dates from 1650-1700, includes: William and Mary Carey, whose family included a son William; John Carey, whose family included Richard, Mark and Abraham; and, a single man named John Carey. One of these may have been the John Carey was a representative for the island of Eleuthera at the colonial Assembly of 1728. A Mark Carey, his wife and three children and an Elizabeth Carey with her three children were among a group of people who returned to the Bahamas from Florida after the American Revolution, landing in New Providence in 1784. (Bethell, A. Talbot. The Early Settlers of the Bahamas and Colonists of North America. Clearfield Co., Norfolk England, 1937.)
Haplogroup R1b - Lineage IV
Currently, there are four project members confirmed as belonging to this lineage and one more possible member. Three of these individuals are linked in a single pedigree that has as its earliest known ancestor Johnathon Cary, of Somerset Co. MD.
Haplogroup R1b - Lineage V - A Non-Carey Lineage in the Carey/Cary y-DNA Project
No pedigree is posted for this lineage on our Patriarchs page since the members of this lineage are named Gordy. Testing of their DNA was conducted to investigate whether their common ancestor was a Cary from our Haplogroup R1b - Lineage I and the results do not support that hypothesis. The hypothesis was based on court transcripts from Sussex County, DE in 1698 and 1699, where a woman named Rose Crouch Taylor appeared before the courts charged with having two illegitimate children by John Cary, the son of Thomas Cary. In her trial, Rose Taylor denied that the children were John Cary’s and claimed that they were fathered by her husband John Taylor, who may have been deceased at the time. Rose Taylor was found not guilty for want of evidence. Rose Taylor subsequently married an Adrian Gardee (Gordy) and the children assumed that name. In 2007, three male Gordy descendants joined the Carey DNA project hoping to use modern science to resolve whether John Cary was their ancestor. Although the results indicated that John Cary was not their ancestor, the members of the Gordy family involved in this investigation requested that this lineage remain as part of the Carey DNA Project as an aid to others considering a similar investigation. A more complete description of this interesting story, including transcripts of the trial, can be found here.
Haplogroup R1b - Lineage VI
Currently, there are eleven project members confirmed as belonging to this lineage and three more possible members. Three of these individuals are linked in a single pedigree that has as its earliest known ancestor John Cary, who emigrated from Bristol, England, to Massachusetts around 1634. Four other individuals have submitted pedigrees starting in New York at about the same time but their links to each other and their connection to the others in the pedigree is not established at this time.
The genealogy of the John Cary/Elizabeth Godfrey family of Bridgewater MA has received considerable attention over the years. Much information can be found in the family history written by Henry Grosvenor Cary (The Cary family in America) that was published by Rev. Seth Cooley Cary in 1907. Rev. Seth Cary was president of a group called The John Cary Descendants that collected and documented information on this line. In Bulletin No. 4, that the group produced in 1907, several early court records from around 1640 concerning John Cary's land are referenced in which the name is spelled Carew. This is not uncommon. According to Lower “The Carews of the west of England pronounce their name as if written Carey, and hence the surnames have been accounted identical.” (Lower, Mark Anthony. Patronymica Britannica. A Dictionary of the Family Names of the United Kingdom. London : John Russell Smith, 1860 )
Much of what is currently known or suspected about this family can be accessed here.
Possible Haplogroup R1b Lineage VII.
Possible Haplogroup R1b Lineage VII consists of four identified members and another possible member. Two men whose results showing 5 mismatches over 37 markers fall just outside the criteria used in our analysis to identify lineages have been identified as members of this possible lineage. In addition, there is one possible member who has not tested enough markers for a confident assignment and two members whose surname is not Carey. Both men identified in this possible lineage have submitted pedigrees with earliest identified ancestors from Ireland but their family connection has not been identified. A probalistic comparison of their results suggests a common ancestor well before the start of their pedigrees. Both have undergone deep clade testing and been found positive for the single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) called M222, a diagnostic marker associated with many individuals whose roots lie in the counties of Northwest Ireland, Ulster and Lowland Scotland. More information on M222 is available here. Two other project members whose results are not close enough to place them in this possible lineage but who have tested positive for M222 have also indicated an Irish origin for their earliest identified ancestor. A probabilistic comparison of their results with those of the two identified members of this possible lineage suggests common ancestors who lived many generations ago but within the time period since surnames were adopted in Ireland.
Haplogroup R1b - Lineage VIII
Currently, there are two project members confirmed as belonging to this lineage. They are linked in a single pedigree that has as its earliest known ancestor John Carey, who was born in Buckinghamshire, England, in 1680. His son John, born in Buckinghamshire in 1707 emigrated to America around 1725, spending the rest of his life in Bucks Co., Pennsylvania. Much information can be found in the family history written by Dorothy Carey Toennies (Branches of the John Carey family to Virginia, N. Carolina, Ohio and on west) that was published in 1977.
Possible Haplogroup R1b - Lineage IX
We have identified two men as members of a possible Haplogroup R1b Lineage IX. Their results fall just outside the criteria we use to assign lineages. In their submitted pedigrees, these men have indicated an earliest ancestor living in Tipperary, Ireland and their results have many matches in common with the values for key markers identified by Nordtvedt as characteristic of a South Irish haplotype that is currently called Irish Type II or South Irish R1b. One of these men has tested positive for CTS4466, one of the defining SNPs of Irish type II. An introduction to this haplotype is available here and a shortened version of the modal here. One member has 2 mismatches with these modal values and the other three mismatches. These men have two mismatches from the modal in common, DYS442=12 (South Irish R1b modal DYS442=13) and DYS458=14 (South Irish modal DYS458=17). These two men are the only members of the Carey/Cary DNA project to have DYS458=14. This may prove interesting down the road if it proves to be a distinctive marker for part of this lineage.
Haplogroup R1b - Lineage X
We have identified three men as members of Haplogroup R1b Lineage X. All three of these men have indicated a common ancestor from Tipperary, Ireland and their results have many matches in common with the Irish Type II or South Irish R1b haplotype discussed under Haplogroup R1b Lineage IX. All three have two mismatches with the key markers for that haplotype. Their mismatches with the haplotype are at the same markers as those for the men in Lineage IX. The three men in this lineage have DYS442=12 (South Irish R1b modal DYS442=13). However, unlike the members of Lineage IX, the men in this lineage have DYS458=16 (South Irish modal DYS458=17) rather than DYS458=14. A comparison of the results for the men in this lineage and those for the men in Lineage IX suggests a high probability that both lineages had common ancestors within the last 16 to 24 generations.
Haplogroup R1b - Lineage XI
We have identified two men as members of Haplogroup R1b Lineage X. Both have identified earliest known ancestors from Ireland but their family link has not been established.