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« Reply #50 on: September 29, 2011, 01:29:35 PM »

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2 of 35 Oregon, United States [European American] Eurasian - European North America
2 of 1301 United States [European American] Eurasian - European North America
2 of 1122 Stuttgart, Germany [German] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
1 of 233 Antwerpen, Belgium [Belgian] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
1 of 165 Albania [Gheg Albanian] Eurasian - European - South-Eastern European Europe
1 of 50 Nuuk, Greenland [Inuit] Eskimo Aleut Arctic
1 of 1079 Australia [European] Eurasian - European - Western European Oceania / Australia
1 of 365 Mendoza, Argentina [European] Eurasian - European Latin America
1 of 61 Virginia, United States [European American] Eurasian - European North America
1 of 738 Cologne, Germany [German] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
1 of 218 Tuscany, Italy [Italian] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
1 of 130 Modena, Italy [Italian] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
1 of 245 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil [European] Eurasian - European Latin America
1 of 48 Florida, United States [African American] African - Afro-American North America
1 of 134 Pyrenees, Spain [Spanish] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
1 of 433 Freiburg, Germany [German] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
1 of 59 Missouri, United States [European American] Eurasian - European North America
1 of 250 Macedonia [Macedonian] Eurasian - European - South-Eastern European Europe
1 of 243 Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil [Admixed] Admixed Latin America
1 of 1239 United States [Hispanic American] Admixed North America

Amongst these haplotypes, the closest to you is this:
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1 of 78 Mendoza, Argentina [European] Eurasian - European Latin America

At least half of Argentineans have an Italian surname (someone says 52%), but, for what I have said before, I bet he is a Spaniard.

Your haplotype is a cul de sac. Nobody of the individuals of the YHRD database is closest than this.
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« Reply #51 on: September 29, 2011, 06:57:11 PM »

I think there could be more men in the British Isles who match me. Most of the British Isles results in the genetic genealogical databases are Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, etc.

If I could just get some more Stevens/Stephens from the British Isles to test, who knows?
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« Reply #52 on: September 29, 2011, 07:20:24 PM »

By the way, I really appreciate your discussing this with me, Gioiello, and all the work you've done in researching it. I feel funny discussing my own personal ancestral quest here in this forum (too much "me"), but what the heck? There doesn't seem to be too much other posting going on right now anyway.
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« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2011, 05:16:41 AM »

Do you think the plague may have had an impact on L21's diversity in some countries?

If it did... perhaps some people will find it hard to find matches.

I'm not saying this is your case Rich.
It has been something that I have wondered about.

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« Reply #54 on: September 30, 2011, 07:52:48 PM »

Do you think the plague may have had an impact on L21's diversity in some countries?

If it did... perhaps some people will find it hard to find matches.

I'm not saying this is your case Rich.
It has been something that I have wondered about.



I know you couldn't have meant me, because I have quite a few pretty good matches.

I suspect you may be right, though. It could also be that L21 men survived the plague in higher numbers than some others, which could account for L21's startling dominance in some places, or at least that was a contributing factor.
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« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2011, 03:18:14 PM »

I suspect my immigrant ancestor might have actually come from Wales or that my y-dna line came from Wales, anyway.

Beddoes is a Welsh surname, and a Beddoes is my closest non-Stevens/Stephens match, and I have some close matches with some Prices, as well, and Price - "ap Rhys" - is also a Welsh surname.

Webb is a pretty common surname in the West Midlands, near the Welsh border, but I don't know whether that one is found in Wales or not. The first man in recorded history to swim the English Channel, Matthew Webb, was from Shropshire.

Apparently Stevens/Stephens is a fairly common surname in Wales. Meic Stevens is a well-known Welsh folk singer, and Matthew Stevens, from Carmarthen, Wales, is a professional snooker player.

Maybe when whole-genome testing finally comes along, we'll be able to use it to precisely pinpoint our y-dna ancestor's place of origin, at least at some genealogical point in time.
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« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2011, 08:09:58 PM »

I have just been in email contact with my 35/37 Stephens match, the one who traces his ancestry to Caswell County, North Carolina, 1789. The lady in charge of that kit (his daughter) has just ordered an upgrade to 67 markers. (I have that confirmed by FTDNA, too.)

As I mentioned, we differ only at CDYa/b, where he has 37-39 and I have 38-38.

I hope this match holds up.

(Now if I could just get a match with someone who knows who the immigrant was!)


Well, his 67-marker upgrade is in, and we have a 64/67 match.

Not bad!

As I mentioned above, we differ by two at CDYa/b, a fast mutator. We know now that we also differ by one at 557, where I have 17 and he has 16. 557 is also a fast mutator, at least according to FTDNA.

So, I think this means Mr. Stephens and Mr. Stevens (the one with the "v" spelling is me) descend from the same y-dna ancestor within a genealogical time frame.

I can only get my y-dna line back to 1804. He can get his to 1789, but that's only 15 years beyond mine.

Anyway, it's still exciting news. Maybe something will come of it.
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« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2011, 11:06:45 PM »

This is very interesting!

You have a unique DNA signature; that's for sure as well.
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« Reply #58 on: November 10, 2011, 09:59:15 PM »

I still can't figure out where Beddoes and the Webbs fit in, unless they are really Stevens (or we're Beddoes or Webbs).

Caswell County, North Carolina, is not all that far from me. I might be able to get down there sometime soon to do some digging.
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« Reply #59 on: November 10, 2011, 10:20:14 PM »

I still can't figure out where Beddoes and the Webbs fit in, unless they are really Stevens (or we're Beddoes or Webbs).

Caswell County, North Carolina, is not all that far from me. I might be able to get down there sometime soon to do some digging.

That answer will come in time. You are getting some great breakthroughs with DNA; keep it up. Give us brick-walled folks some hope.
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« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2011, 11:10:03 PM »

I still can't figure out where Beddoes and the Webbs fit in, unless they are really Stevens (or we're Beddoes or Webbs).

Caswell County, North Carolina, is not all that far from me. I might be able to get down there sometime soon to do some digging.

That answer will come in time. You are getting some great breakthroughs with DNA; keep it up. Give us brick-walled folks some hope.

Well, I really wish my 65/67 match born and raised in the West Midlands of England had my surname, but nothing in my life has ever been that easy!
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« Reply #61 on: November 23, 2011, 08:05:36 PM »

Not that anyone but me cares much about my matches, but I got a surprise today: Mr. Beddoes now shows up on my Matches page at FTDNA. That has never been the case before.

I wonder if he changed his preferences, or if FTDNA's new personal page configuration has something to do with it.

Maybe now a match's preferences don't matter: if they signed the release they show up on your Matches page.

That's as it should be. If you sign the release, you should show up to your matches, regardless of how you have set the preferences for your own page.
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« Reply #62 on: November 23, 2011, 08:52:18 PM »

Not that anyone but me cares much about my matches, but I got a surprise today: Mr. Beddoes now shows up on my Matches page at FTDNA. That has never been the case before.

I wonder if he changed his preferences, or if FTDNA's new personal page configuration has something to do with it.

Maybe now a match's preferences don't matter: if they signed the release they show up on your Matches page.

That's as it should be. If you sign the release, you should show up to your matches, regardless of how you have set the preferences for your own page.

My match who likes to lurk has shown up as well, I suspect that FTDNA's malarkey with there new 'all singing and dancing' personal page has accidently reset everybody’s settings to default :)

what a shame !!
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