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« on: July 30, 2012, 07:21:24 PM »

This is liable to be a very short thread.

Here's my question.

Has there ever been someone not Irish Type III who has been found to be L226+?

I can't see any in the R-L226 Project, although its whole name is "The R-L226 Project - Irish Type III" (so I guess one shouldn't expect non-Irish Type III members).

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L226_Project/default.aspx?section=yresults
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2012, 07:30:45 PM »

This is liable to be a very short thread.

Here's my question.

Has there ever been someone not Irish Type III who has been found to be L226+?

I can't see any in the R-L226 Project, although its whole name is "The R-L226 Project - Irish Type III" (so I guess one shouldn't expect non-Irish Type III members).

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L226_Project/default.aspx?section=yresults


I should add that I haven't seen any in the R-L21 Plus Project either, and there have been a lot of L226 tests run. (I don't want to manually count them: there are too many.)
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2012, 09:11:32 PM »

This is liable to be a very short thread.

Here's my question.

Has there ever been someone not Irish Type III who has been found to be L226+?

I can't see any in the R-L226 Project, although its whole name is "The R-L226 Project - Irish Type III" (so I guess one shouldn't expect non-Irish Type III members).

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L226_Project/default.aspx?section=yresults


I should add that I haven't seen any in the R-L21 Plus Project either, and there have been a lot of L226 tests run. (I don't want to manually count them: there are too many.)

You'd been at for a while.....

L226+ n=15
L226- n=739

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Pos: Z245 L459 L21 DF13**
Neg: DF23 L513 L96 L144 Z255 Z253 DF21 DF41 (Z254 P66 P314.2 M37 M222  L563 L526 L226 L195 L193 L192.1 L159.2 L130 DF63 DF5 DF49)
WTYNeg: L555 L371 (L9/L10 L370 L302/L319.1 L554 L564 L577 P69 L626 L627 L643 L679)
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2012, 12:37:22 AM »

This is liable to be a very short thread.

Here's my question.

Has there ever been someone not Irish Type III who has been found to be L226+?

Not that I know of. I don't think it is a very old group.  They probably received the most thorough negative testing of any of L21's subclade SNPs.  I think there was even talk of it as being as big as M222 the excitement was so high.
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2012, 01:55:17 AM »

I count 53 persons in the Z253 Project who are both Z253+ and L226-.
I'm sure Dennis Wright has posted elsewhere that all Irish III persons are L226+, and that, unlike other SNPs, there do not appear to be any people at the edges of Irish III, suggesting that the pre-L226 paternal lines have largely died out.
In Mike's spreadsheet the Irish III persons are designated 253-1189-T3. There are a couple of 253-1189 entries who do not appear to have tested for Z253 or L226.
We may get a better handle on this question if there are any SNPs between Z253 and L226 in the new Gene 2 SNPs.
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2012, 05:43:53 AM »

Okay, thanks.

I saw that the R-Z253 Project has categories for people who are Z253+ but untested for L226, and it struck me that an L226 test is really no longer necessary for someone who does not have the Irish Type III haplotype. I just wanted to confirm that out of curiosity.
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2012, 07:28:57 AM »

This is liable to be a very short thread.

Here's my question.

Has there ever been someone not Irish Type III who has been found to be L226+?

I can't see any in the R-L226 Project, although its whole name is "The R-L226 Project - Irish Type III" (so I guess one shouldn't expect non-Irish Type III members).

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L226_Project/default.aspx?section=yresults
I have a similar question re L226.  I am Z 253+, L226-; where would you WAG I came from?  As you know L226 is a sub clade of Z253.
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2012, 07:38:19 AM »

I'm not sure what you are driving at, but, as far as I know, you list Scotland as your place of ancestral origin.

As for the precise history of Z253, I don't know.
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2012, 08:09:20 AM »

I'm not sure what you are driving at, but, as far as I know, you list Scotland as your place of ancestral origin.

As for the precise history of Z253, I don't know.
  Thats where my earliest known ancestor was born.  One of my closest haplotypes is a DeLaHaunty from Ireland.  I would imagine that the terms scottish or Irish didn't mean much in the early days of 253?
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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2012, 08:11:41 AM »

I'm not sure what you are driving at, but, as far as I know, you list Scotland as your place of ancestral origin.

As for the precise history of Z253, I don't know.
  Thats where my earliest known ancestor was born.  One of my closest haplotypes is a DeLaHaunty from Ireland.  I would imagine that the terms scottish or Irish didn't mean much in the early days of 253?

I'm sure that's true, and there are some Z253 from the Continent, as well.

I have a Z253 test in the oven myself right now and am hoping for a positive result.

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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2012, 07:38:52 PM »

Actually my motivation for starting this thread was that, as I mentioned, I took a look at the R-Z253 Project and saw that they have categories for guys who are Z253 but who have not been tested for L226, and not a soul in those categories has the Irish Type III haplotype. It occurred to me that, if I get a Z253+ result (a big if) and decide to join that project, I would probably be placed in one of those categories. I would be stuck in that category indefinitely, since I don't plan on wasting $29 on an L226 test, when it is almost certain I would get a negative result.

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