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« on: February 11, 2011, 10:08:56 PM »

I've been pretty much blessed with this y-dna testing thing. I just got a new 12-marker match, which is not normally something to be excited about, but this man has my surname.

I just emailed him.

I hope he'll upgrade to 67 markers without me having to pay for it.

I also hope he has info I don't have. Man, would that be nice.
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2011, 10:29:45 PM »

I've been pretty much blessed with this y-dna testing thing. I just got a new 12-marker match, which is not normally something to be excited about, but this man has my surname.

I just emailed him.

I hope he'll upgrade to 67 markers without me having to pay for it.

I also hope he has info I don't have. Man, would that be nice.

You may have something there, Rich. Considering your 12-marker haplotype is very unique, and this man also has the same surname could be a breakthrough.

I hope you two connect.
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2011, 07:17:21 AM »

I've been pretty much blessed with this y-dna testing thing. I just got a new 12-marker match, which is not normally something to be excited about, but this man has my surname.

I just emailed him.

I hope he'll upgrade to 67 markers without me having to pay for it.

I also hope he has info I don't have. Man, would that be nice.

Congrats Rich

Hopefully, unless this gent ordered the Y12 as part of a combo pack, he should have more results coming out shortly. I can't imagine anybody ordering a bare Y12 test these days, the pricing policy exactly conducive towards it.

Out of interest does he use the V or PH variation of your name. Of course exact spellings of surnames isn't important, sometimes flipping from one generation to the next (or even over the life time of an individual), but the PH variation is more common in Wales and the West Country than the V.
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2011, 11:03:07 AM »

I've been pretty much blessed with this y-dna testing thing. I just got a new 12-marker match, which is not normally something to be excited about, but this man has my surname.

I just emailed him.

I hope he'll upgrade to 67 markers without me having to pay for it.

I also hope he has info I don't have. Man, would that be nice.

Congrats Rich

Hopefully, unless this gent ordered the Y12 as part of a combo pack, he should have more results coming out shortly. I can't imagine anybody ordering a bare Y12 test these days, the pricing policy exactly conducive towards it.

Out of interest does he use the V or PH variation of your name. Of course exact spellings of surnames isn't important, sometimes flipping from one generation to the next (or even over the life time of an individual), but the PH variation is more common in Wales and the West Country than the V.


He uses the V spelling, like my family has, at least since my ggg-grandfather, born in 1804.

I'm betting he's a relative and that when he sees my email he'll know exactly what I'm talking about, since I sent him the basic outline of my y-dna pedigree.

It would be nice if he were from the Old Country, but I doubt it.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2011, 01:44:09 PM »

I heard back from the lady managing her dad's y-dna testing and doing the family research. This is a different Stevens line not descended from my ggg-grandfather.

Now that's exciting!

It opens up a whole new vista to be explored and a possible route around my current brick wall.

This gentleman has a 37-marker test on the burner, so I should find out something more soon. I hope the match holds up!

Their y-dna ancestor died in Pennsylvania. My ggg-grandfather was born near Pittsburgh and lived for years in western Pennsylvania and eastern Ohio before heading south.

Hmmm . . .
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2011, 03:17:49 PM »

This gentleman has a 37-marker test on the burner, so I should find out something more soon. I hope the match holds up!
Hmmm . . .

I'd be surprised if it didn't, exact surname matches don't break down very often and as Neil said your haplotype isn't the most common, best of luck
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2011, 02:03:02 PM »

This gentleman has a 37-marker test on the burner, so I should find out something more soon. I hope the match holds up!
Hmmm . . .

I'd be surprised if it didn't, exact surname matches don't break down very often and as Neil said your haplotype isn't the most common, best of luck

Thanks, brother! I really hope it holds up.
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2011, 03:19:39 PM »

I hope that match sticks!  I think the odds are in your favor.

Do you have any theories on this group?  I've been calling it R-L21 1116 but it looks like a firm cluster to me.

fN40760 Stevens zzzunk 358E9
yVT2R6 Beddoes England, West Midlands, Shropshire, Salop VT2R6
f57563 Cooper zzzunk 4BN3G
f59080 Stevens zzzunk HX9ZF
f163684 Webb England WEKT6

The above are the only L21 guys I could find with your 12 markers which is why I think the new guy's match will hold.

What do you think about these two?  They share some of the same markers. French is close to fitting with the above, IMHO.
f102653 French zzzunk WW2NK
y9GTUY Wallen England, Yorkshire and Humber, South Yorkshire, Rotherham 9GTUY
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2011, 03:31:28 PM »

Good Luck Rich

You deserve some good luck for all the time and effort you put into the hobby.
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2011, 01:12:35 PM »

I hope that match sticks!  I think the odds are in your favor.

Do you have any theories on this group?  I've been calling it R-L21 1116 but it looks like a firm cluster to me.

fN40760 Stevens zzzunk 358E9
yVT2R6 Beddoes England, West Midlands, Shropshire, Salop VT2R6
f57563 Cooper zzzunk 4BN3G
f59080 Stevens zzzunk HX9ZF
f163684 Webb England WEKT6

The above are the only L21 guys I could find with your 12 markers which is why I think the new guy's match will hold.

What do you think about these two?  They share some of the same markers. French is close to fitting with the above, IMHO.
f102653 French zzzunk WW2NK
y9GTUY Wallen England, Yorkshire and Humber, South Yorkshire, Rotherham 9GTUY

Yeah, I definitely belong to some kind of cluster. It was discussed at length over two years ago on dna forums, back when that place was worth visiting. What is interesting is that the cluster seems to point to the West Midlands of England.

Mr. Beddoes was actually born in Worcester, England, but says his family has always lived in Shropshire. He doesn't match the other males in the Beddoes Project, which is information I have to take on faith, since that is a super-duper-top-secret project that only its administrator can see (not even the members can see its y-dna results page). I belonged to it for awhile but quit for very obvious reasons. Why belong to a project you can't see?

Beddoes is said to be a Welsh surname, but my Beddoes doesn't match the other Beddoes, so perhaps he is a Stevens.

Webb is a surname found mostly in the West Midlands. In fact, the first man to swim the English Channel was a Webb from Shropshire.
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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2011, 09:11:10 PM »

No news yet.

Waiting is one of the toughest parts of the whole dna testing experience.
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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2011, 05:03:10 PM »

No news yet.

Waiting is one of the toughest parts of the whole dna testing experience.

FTDNA seem to be on a go slow at the moment, I had to wait almost 6 weeks somebody to get 9 advanced loci tested. It was worth the wait in the end though :)

I’m also waiting to see if somebody else turns L21 or remains P312 (reported last Tuesday), I’ve already emailed him once to get confirmation that L21 hadn’t been tested so I think I’m being very good not bothering him again. If it still says R1b1b2a1b by next Tuesday I don’t think I’ll be able to contain myself.
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2011, 05:51:09 PM »

I hope that match sticks!  I think the odds are in your favor.

Do you have any theories on this group?  I've been calling it R-L21 1116 but it looks like a firm cluster to me.

fN40760 Stevens zzzunk 358E9
yVT2R6 Beddoes England, West Midlands, Shropshire, Salop VT2R6
f57563 Cooper zzzunk 4BN3G
f59080 Stevens zzzunk HX9ZF
f163684 Webb England WEKT6

The above are the only L21 guys I could find with your 12 markers which is why I think the new guy's match will hold.

What do you think about these two?  They share some of the same markers. French is close to fitting with the above, IMHO.
f102653 French zzzunk WW2NK
y9GTUY Wallen England, Yorkshire and Humber, South Yorkshire, Rotherham 9GTUY

Yeah, I definitely belong to some kind of cluster. It was discussed at length over two years ago on dna forums, back when that place was worth visiting. What is interesting is that the cluster seems to point to the West Midlands of England.

Mr. Beddoes was actually born in Worcester, England, but says his family has always lived in Shropshire. He doesn't match the other males in the Beddoes Project, which is information I have to take on faith, since that is a super-duper-top-secret project that only its administrator can see (not even the members can see its y-dna results page). I belonged to it for awhile but quit for very obvious reasons. Why belong to a project you can't see?

Beddoes is said to be a Welsh surname, but my Beddoes doesn't match the other Beddoes, so perhaps he is a Stevens.

Webb is a surname found mostly in the West Midlands. In fact, the first man to swim the English Channel was a Webb from Shropshire.

I think it would be interesting to have a look at the Hearth Tax records for Shropshire. This was a tax levied in the late 17th century on every household in England that had a fireplace, so it's like a census of heads of households. You could find the locations where Stevens and Beddoes families lived. The Shropshire returns were published some years ago: W. Watkins-Pritchard, ed., The Shropshire Hearth Tax Roll of 1672, Shrops. Archaeological and Parish Register Society, 1949. It might be hard to find where you are, but a major university library might have it. These ordinarily are indexed by surname, making searching easy. You might well find a Beddoes and Stevens families living in the same village, which could be an important clue. In any case, it would give a good idea how common or rare those surnames were in the county in the late 17th century.
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2011, 08:57:23 PM »

Okay. my 12-marker match has his 37-marker results now, and, naturally, things are complicated.

On the surface, we are off by 5 at 37 markers. So, no match.

However, here are the discrepant values.

464d
me: 17     him: 18

576

me: 17     him: 16

CDYa

me: 38     him: 35

The biggy is CDYa, which accounts for 3 of the five units of genetic distance. However, I apparently have a RecLoH there, since I also have 38 at CDYb. So, just one unit of genetic distance should be counted at CDYa, so we actually are off by only 3 at 37 markers.

Obviously, my possible relative needs to upgrade to 67 markers.

Will he?
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