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« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2011, 08:20:41 PM »

FTDNA are really dragging there heels at the moment.

You can say that again. I've been anxiously awaiting results for the large number of orders for L238. Some of them (from batch 395) are nearly a month past their predicted result date. They seem to be concentrating on running the chip02 for Family Finder customers.
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« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2011, 11:28:08 AM »

You can sat that again. I've been anxiously awaiting results for the large number of orders for L238. Some of them (from batch 395) are nearly a month past their predicted result date. They seem to be concentrating on running the chip02 for Family Finder customers.

I wondered what they were spending there time on. Personally I'm not that interested in the autosomal stuff since I very much doubt there are very many people connected to me within the last five generations who live in America, so the chance of a match is a bit slim, but each to there own.
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« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2011, 10:58:44 PM »

I ordered mine and a few days later they changed L459 place to equal to L21....

Batch 403  due 04/25/2011

Now waiting to test for DF1/L513 and DF5 which has an estimate of around 10% of L21 for each SNP

 
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Pos: Z245 L459 L21 DF13**
Neg: DF23 L513 L96 L144 Z255 Z253 DF21 DF41 (Z254 P66 P314.2 M37 M222  L563 L526 L226 L195 L193 L192.1 L159.2 L130 DF63 DF5 DF49)
WTYNeg: L555 L371 (L9/L10 L370 L302/L319.1 L554 L564 L577 P69 L626 L627 L643 L679)
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« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2011, 07:34:23 AM »

Now waiting to test for DF1/L513 and DF5 which has an estimate of around 10% of L21 for each SNP

 

I find the ancestry quoted for the L21 participants a little bit interesting

Hg R-L21 Samples in the 1000 Genomes Project Data

ASW - African Ancestry in SW USA
CEU - Utah residents with Northern and Western European ancestry (CEPH collection)
CLM - Colombian in Medellín, Colombia
GBR - British from England and Scotland
MXL - Mexican Ancestry in Los Angeles, CA, USA
PUR - Puerto Rican in Puerto Rico

Of course CEU could be translated as somewhere in Europe but not sure, but it could also mean Europe excluding Britain in which case the results for the GBR candidates become much more exciting.

As you said on DNA-Forum regarding DF5, one candidate's family came from Orkney whilst the other's came from Cornwell.


I wonder when the people who know how to extract this data will turn there beady eyes on P312.


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« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2011, 04:38:19 PM »

Sure would be interested in what the surename of the two DF5 guys are....
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Pos: Z245 L459 L21 DF13**
Neg: DF23 L513 L96 L144 Z255 Z253 DF21 DF41 (Z254 P66 P314.2 M37 M222  L563 L526 L226 L195 L193 L192.1 L159.2 L130 DF63 DF5 DF49)
WTYNeg: L555 L371 (L9/L10 L370 L302/L319.1 L554 L564 L577 P69 L626 L627 L643 L679)
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« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2011, 09:17:48 PM »

Sure would be interested in what the surename of the two DF5 guys are....

I think there haplotypes would be more informative, unfortunately this is apparently not easy data to extract.
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« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2011, 08:31:57 PM »

Bunch of L459 results in, so far 1 P312 neg and 6 L21 positive.

Anybody else in batch 403 who hasn't got there results yet apart from me?
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« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2011, 06:38:19 AM »

I ordered L459. ETA early May.
I received a star on 23andme  with the migration  from v2 to v3 chip. R1b1b2a1a2f* (L21*).
Out of 3,703 positions tested on the Y Chromosone, I had 1,296 no calls which works out at ~35%, which is consistant with other peoples experience.
Out of the total 996,000 SNPs tested by the V3 chip, the Y Chrosomone accounts for a small fraction, ~0.37%.
Given its importance in determining distant ancestry, I hope that 23andme can overcome the major challanges and sequence all of the SNPs on the Y Chromosone. This would allow us to identify future SNPs and Haplogroups as and when they become available without having to retest for individual SNPs. I wish 23andme and FTDNA would cooperate on this as they are using the same Illumnia platforms. FTDNA appear to have more expertise in this area and a more active user community. It would be a great contribution to Population Genetics.

I have checked the location of L459 on my Y file and it is not tested.

In the meantime I expect further innovation will come from WTY or 3rd party projects such as Adriano Squecco or Dienekes. However these latter tools are operating on a limited extract of the database. To get the full benefit they would need to run these or equivilant tools against the entire database.

The good news in all this is that when we eventually discover the sub clades of L21 we can position the original carrier to a more precise place and time, possibly the historic period and a specific country or region. The ultimate goal would be to be able to associate specific clan, sept or surnames to a given Haplogroup.
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« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2011, 03:10:38 PM »

My L459 results are due today - batch 404.  Anybody have a summary of recent L459 results for L21+?  Or an update on when batch 404 results will be in.
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« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2011, 03:59:44 PM »

My L459 results are due today - batch 404.  Anybody have a summary of recent L459 results for L21+?  Or an update on when batch 404 results will be in.

So far all L21+ are positive and all P312* are negative.

It's looking increasingly unlikely that L459- will be found under L21, but testing by P312* people is lagging behind.

Anyway best of luck, if you are L459- you will be the talk of the town.
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« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2011, 07:02:45 PM »

My L459 results are due today - batch 404.  Anybody have a summary of recent L459 results for L21+?  Or an update on when batch 404 results will be in.

So far all L21+ are positive and all P312* are negative.

It's looking increasingly unlikely that L459- will be found under L21, but testing by P312* people is lagging behind.

Anyway best of luck, if you are L459- you will be the talk of the town.

Here's the old "chicken and egg" problem.  FTDNA won't include L459 in a deep clade package until/unless they can place it on their haplotree and it is useful.

There could be an L21+ guy who is L459- and it would put them in a special group, no doubt, but we are losing interest in it - legitimately so.

On the other hand, L459+ could then be great for whittling P312* but until one L459+ L21- person is found they'll be reluctant to test if there is a chance an L21+ L459- person could be found.

... so everyone waits for the egg to hatch to see where it falls but there will be no chickens testing.
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« Reply #36 on: May 02, 2011, 07:31:56 PM »

On the other hand, L459+ could then be great for whittling P312* but until one L459+ L21- person is found they'll be reluctant to test if there is a chance an L21+ L459- person could be found.

... so everyone waits for the egg to hatch to see where it falls but there will be no chickens testing.

There are 9 P312 WTY results pending at the moment, hopefully they will all be tested for L459.
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« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2011, 07:32:33 AM »

On the other hand, L459+ could then be great for whittling P312* but until one L459+ L21- person is found they'll be reluctant to test if there is a chance an L21+ L459- person could be found.

... so everyone waits for the egg to hatch to see where it falls but there will be no chickens testing.

There are 9 P312 WTY results pending at the moment, hopefully they will all be tested for L459.
ahh! I forgot about that. That is our hope for continued L459 testing.  I suppose the 1000 Genome Project or 23andME might be another avenue in the search for either a P312* L459+ or a L21+ L459- person.
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« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2011, 09:09:12 AM »

That is our hope for continued L459 testing.

And hopefully the myriad of new P312+ SNPs that rrocca diligently unearthed in the 1000 Genome project.
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« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2011, 05:29:12 PM »

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but we are losing interest in it - legitimately so.

Apparently so, my results are a month overdue with no reschedule date.
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« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2011, 06:19:34 PM »

L459+.  Let's see, what else is new.  (-:
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« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2011, 11:53:55 PM »

I finally ordered L459 some time ago, more as a double check on my L21 negative results than in the belief that I would be L21- L459+. My results finally came through today as L459-, which is of course no surprise. So I remain P312*, with DF19 my last remaining chance (at the moment) to lose my asterisk.
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« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2011, 12:09:39 AM »

L459+.  Let's see, what else is new.  (-:

A raft of L21 folks' L459 results came in.  All L459+. I wouldn't be surprised if there is an L21+ L459- guy or P312+ L21- L459+ guy out there somewhere, but don't know how we'll find him.
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« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2011, 03:44:52 PM »

Looks like DF21 and 111 markers are the next big step tests for L-21*
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« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2011, 04:53:33 PM »

L459+.  Let's see, what else is new.  (-:

A raft of L21 folks' L459 results came in.  All L459+. I wouldn't be surprised if there is an L21+ L459- guy or P312+ L21- L459+ guy out there somewhere, but don't know how we'll find him.

If they exist, the only likely way of finding them would be if FTDNA incorporates L459 into their R1b deep-clade test.
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« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2011, 02:49:28 AM »

I am still waiting for my results. They were originally due early May.
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R1b1a2a1a1b4  L459+ L21+ DF21+ DF13+ U198- U106- P66- P314.2- M37- M222- L96- L513- L48- L44- L4- L226- L2- L196- L195- L193- L192.1- L176.2- L165- L159.2- L148- L144- L130- L1-
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« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2011, 05:46:47 AM »

I am still waiting for my results. They were originally due early May.

Finally got my result in L459+.
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« Reply #47 on: October 08, 2011, 10:33:17 AM »

I am still waiting for my results. They were originally due early May.

Finally got my result in L459+.
Well, at least L459 is consistent.  I think some more of the P312** guys need to test for it.
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