I wonder is this John's birth in Glastry with his brother & sister?
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 1044 John Robert Palmer Ballyeasboro 08.06.1793
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 1082 Rachel Robert Palmer Ballyeasboro 31.03.1795
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 1184 Adam Robert Palmer Ballyeasboro 16.04.1798
Glastry Presbyterian Graveyard, County Down:
PALMER.
Erected by Nancy Palmer in memory of her husband John Palmer of Portavogie who departed this life 10th November 1850 aged 57 years. Born 1793
Also the above named Nancy Palmer who departed this life on the 10th April 1871 aged 64 years. Born 1807
Also her grandson James Palmer, **died 1st Feb. 1869 aged 5 years. Born 29/09/1864
Her son Adam Palmer died 27th Oct. 1905 aged 72 years. Born 1833 ***
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 2702 Nancy John Palmer Nancy McKibbin Portavogie 04.11.1840 12.11.1840
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 2851 Sarah John Palmer Nancy McKibbin Portavogie 26.03.1843 11.04.1843
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 3018 John John Palmer Nancy McKibbin Portavogie 01.04.1846 15.04.1846
ADAM SON OF JOHN
Adam Palmer, full age, bachelor, farmer, of Portavogie (father: John Palmer, farmer) to Agnes Gordon, full age, spinster, of Annalong, County Down (father: James Gordon, sea captain) in Annalong Meetinghouse on Jan.9, 1861.
GLASTRY PRESBYTERIAN CH. BIRTHS
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 3719 Elizabeth Adam K……….. Gordon Portavogie 11.10.1862
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 3657 John Adam Palmer Nancy Gordon Portavogie 08.01.1861 10.01.1861
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 3808 James ** Adam Palmer Nancy Gordon 29.09.1864 29.09.1864
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 3977 Robert Adam Palmer Nancy Gordon Portavogie 14.01.1868 21.01.1868
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 4409 Nancy Adam Palmer Nancy Gordon Portavogie 16.01.1874 04.02.1874
1901 CENSUS
Residents of a house 129 in Portavogue (Ballyhalbert, Down)
Palmer Nancy 26 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Down Farmer's Daughter Can read and write Not Married
Palmer ADAM 68 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Down Farmer Can read and write English Married
Palmer John 40 Male Son Presbyterian Co Down Farmer's Son Can read and write Not Married Imbecile
Palmer Nancy nee Gordon 65 Female Wife Presbyterian Co Down Can read and write Married
1911 census
Residents of a house 33 in Portavogie (Ballyhalbert, Down)
11.07.1904 James Beatty Maxwell Full Bachelor Bran……. Belfast FATHER John Maxwell Mill Worker
Nancy Palmer Full Spinster Portavogie Adam Palmer Farmer
WITNESSES Thomas Taylor Agnes Taylor
Maxwell Agnes 37 Female Head of Family Presbyterian Portavogie, Co Down Read and write Married 7 2 2
Maxwell Annie 6 Female Daughter Presbyterian Portavogie, Co Down Scholar Cannot read Single
Maxwell Martha 1 Female Daughter Presbyterian Portavogie, Co Down Cannot read Single
Palmer Nancy nee Gordon 78 Female Mother Presbyterian Portavogie, Co Down Read and write Widow
Mahaffy William 27 Male Servant Church of Ireland Portavogie, Co Down Farmer Servant Read and write Single
WILL OF ADAM PALMER
Title : Date of Death : 27 October 1905 ***
Surname : Palmer Date of Grant : 26 February 1906
Forename : Adam Effects : Effects £243 17s. 6d.
Registry : Belfast
Full Abstract :
Administration (with the Will) of the personal estate of Adam Palmer late of Portavogie County Down Farmer who died 27 October 1905 granted at Belfast to Agnes Maxwell
ADAM LEFT ALL HIS FARM TO SON JOHN WHO WAS IN DOWNPATRICK LUNATIC ASYLUM UNTIL HE WAS ABLE TO COPE.
HE LEFT £10 TO ELIZABETH PALMER & £50 TO AGNES MAXWELL HIS DAUGHTERS.
EXECUTORS:-
JOHN PALMER P/VOGIE FARMER
BROTHER JOHN PALMER PORTAVOGIE CARPENTER
FOR FULL WILL SEE PRONI.
http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=249146SON OF JOHN & NANCY---- ROBERT MARRIED MARY MAHOOD
15.10.1851 Robert Palmer 21 Bachelor FISHERMAN
Mary Mahood 21 Spinster Portavogie
FATHERS John Palmer Farmer
James Mahood Mother Mary nee Linton
WITNESSES
James Mahood James McCully
GLASTRY BIRTHS & BAPTISM
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 3314 Ann Jane Robert Palmer Mary Mahood Portavogie 10.06.1853 18.07.1853
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 3386 Nancy died young Robert Palmer Mary Mahood Portavogie 03.04.1866 17.04.1855
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 3648 Mary died young Robert Palmer Mary Mahood Portavogie 30.01.1861 31.01.1861
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 3731 Margaret m James Cully 28/12/1888 ref. 0415 Robert Palmer Mary Mahood Portavogie 01.02.1863 17.02.1863
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 3817 Charles Robert Palmer Mary Mahood Portavogie 19.11.1864 24.11.1864
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 3872 Big Samuel M TWICE 02.11.1865 Robert Palmer Mary Mahood Portavogie 25.10.1865 02.11.1865
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 4319 Agnes m W.J. Coffey Robert Palmer Mary
Mahood Portavogie 27.04.1871 18.06.1871
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 4523 Mary m Bob Coffey Robert Palmer Mary Mahood Portavogie 01.05.1877 05.08.1877
Robert Coffey son of Thomas Coffey & Sarah Cully; to Mary Palmer in Ballyblack Presbyterian Church on Oct.27, 1899. THOMAS COFFEY WAS THE SON OF WILLIAM COFFEY AND ESTHER NEE GLENN, AND BROTHER OF ESTHER WIFE OF JOHN PALMER OF THE LUGGER SPARKLING WAVE. ALSO BROTHER OF MARGARET DEVOY, NANCY AMBROSE & ELIZA COFFEY WIFE OF WILLIAM COFFEY. ACCORDING TO THEIR FATHERS WILL.
SEE THIS LINK
http://www.worldfamilies.net/forum/index.php?topic=9019.
1901
Residents of a house 122 in Portavogue (Ballyhalbert, Down)
Palmer Mary Nee MAHOOD 70 Female Boarder Presbyterian Co Down Embroiderer Read only - Widow died 16th May 1920 aged 89 years.
Coffey Sarah Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Down Cannot read Not Married LATER MARRIED TOM AMBROSE
Coffey Robert 26 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Down Draper Read and write Married
Coffey Mary nee Palmer 23 Female Wife Presbyterian Co Down Embroiderer Read and write Married
1911 CENSUS
Residents of a house 56 in Portavogie (Ballyhalbert, Down) 1911
Palmer Mary NEE MAHOOD 80 Female Head of Family Presbyterian Co Down Read only Widow
GLASTRY PRES. CH. G.Y.
PALMER. [White marble stone in low-railed enclosure.]
Erected by Mary NEE MAHOOD Palmer in memory of her beloved husband Robert Palmer who died 21st January 1891 aged 59 years. BORN 1832
Also their daughter Nancy, died 1854, aged 1 year and 9 months.
Also three children who died in infancy.
Also Beatrice, daughter of Robert John Palmer, who died 22nd Feby. 1909 aged 11 months.
Also the above Mary Palmer who died 16th May 1920 aged 89 years.
Also her son Robert John Palmer who died 29th March 1934 aged 75 years.
Also Annie, daughter of Robert John Palmer, who died 17th March 1939 aged 43 years.
Also Elizabeth, wife of Robert John Palmer, who died 14th July 1952 aged 89 years.
Mary Palmer died Apr.5, 1976, aged 82 years. Daughter of R J Palmer. She was deaf.
SON Adam died Apr.22, 1986, aged 83 years and wife Essie ORR died Nov.23, 2002 aged 86.
(Essie nee Orr daughter of Thomas Orr & Agnes Fullerton; & grand daughter of Sarah nee Palmer & Thomas Orr. Sarah, only daughter of John Palmer and Esther nee Coffey; daughter of William Coffey and Esther [McClements?)
Ann Palmer daughter of Adam and Essie, missionary in Zambia died Jun.18, 1992, aged 50 years. SINGLE
52 15.07.1893
Robert John Palmer Full Bachelor Fisherman Portavogie FATHER ROBERT PALMER fisherman Portavogie
Lizzie Palmer Full Spinster Portavogie FATHER ADAM PALMER FARMER MUM NANCY GORDON
WITNESSES Wm. James Coffey & Agnes Palmer SISTER OF ROBERT JOHN
19 14.01.1878 Thomas Orr Full Age Bachelor Fisherman Portavogie
Sarah Palmer Under Full Age Spinster Portavogie
FATHERS
David Orr Farmer
John Palmer Fisherman
WITNESSES Wm Charles & Eliza Orr
Sarah Palmer Orr’s parents
12.11.1856 John Palmer & Esther Coffey Portavogie
FATHERS James Palmer Fisherman
William Coffey Farmer
WITNESSES Samuel Cully
1901 census
Residents of a house 121 in Portavogue (Ballyhalbert, Down)
Palmer Mary 7 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Down Scholar Read and write Not Married
Palmer Maggie 1 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Down Cannot read Not Married married Hugh ADAIR
Palmer Elizabeth 4 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Down Scholar Cannot read Not Married
Palmer Annie 6 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Down Scholar Read and write Not Married
Palmer ROBT JOHN 44 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Down Fisherman Read and write Married
Palmer Lizzie nee Palmer Daughter of Adam 35 Female Head of Family Wife Presbyterian Co Down Embroiderer Read and write Married
1911 census
Residents of a house 57 in Portavogie (Ballyhalbert, Down)
Palmer Robert John 53 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Down Fisherman Read and write Married
Palmer Elizabeth nee Palmer 47 Female Wife Presbyterian Co Down Embroiderer Read and write Married 18 6 5
Palmer Mary 17 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Down Embroiderer Read and write Single
Palmer Annie 15 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Down Embroiderer Read and write Single
Palmer Elizabeth 13 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Down Scholar Read and write Single
Palmer Maggie 11 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Down Scholar Read and write Single
Palmer Adam 8 Male Son Presbyterian Co Down Scholar Cannot read Single
07.10.1893 Wm. James Coffey Full Bachelor Fisherman Portavogie FATHER Thomas Coffey Fisherman
Agnes Palmer Full Spinster Portavogie DAUGHTER OF Robert Palmer & MARY MAHOOD Fisherman
WITNESSES Essie Coffey Thomas Mahood
Their g/daughter Etta nee Coffey Manley says they had 6 children but only 2 survived; her dad James & his sister Lizzie who did not marry.
Etta also remembers..... James Palmer (her grandmother's brother) went to Kansas City and her Grannie went on O'Brien's Brake (one of the first types of public transport in the Peninsula) to Belfast to see him off on the boat.
Etta remembers..... "as a child 4 or 5, before I went to school, my grannie getting a tea chest full of figs, dates, and tins of pears,coming to Agnes Coffey behind the Mission Hall Portavogie. It came on a green transport lorry and the driver was David Brown, he carried it on his shoulder and my granny thought he had made a mistake and it was not for her. I don't believe there was ever an answer to him as my granny could not write.
My granda William James Coffey used to get the daily paper and old neighbours came to hear the news."
Many thanks to Etta for sharing these memories with us. See James below.
JAMES son of Robert Palmer & Mary nee Mahood
James Palmer was born about 1857 according to his grave marker. In 1883 he emigrated to USA ending up in Kansas City. About 1890, James married a Swedish woman named Anna, born in 1857. James lived almost his entire life at 945 Sandusky Avenue, Kansas City, (the house was restored in the 1970s according to a newspaper article). In 1920 James was working as a laborer in the Fowler (meat) Packing Company. James and Anna both died in 1949 and are buried in the Highland Park Cemetery, Kansas City. James was ``survived by a brother Samuel and a sister Agnes Coffey in Northern Ireland''. James and Anna had three children:
1. Anna Jane Palmer was born on Apr.1, 1890, in Kansas City and and is listed in the 1920 Census as living with her father. She was a bookkeeper for the Jones dry goods store. Annie died unmarried on Jul.16, 1984, in Kansas City. She is also buried in Highland Park Cemetery. Anna Jane's cousin Sarah Palmer Warnock came to the USA to visit her in Anna Jane's waning years.
2. James Palmer was born on Sep.18, 1893, in Kansas City and is listed in the 1920 Census as living with his father. He fought in the army during WWI and was a clerk in the Armour Meat Packing Company. He died unmarried on Dec.2, 1972, in the Veterans Hospital in Leavenworth, Kansas. He is buried in Highland Park Cemetery.
3. Florence Palmer was born on Dec.9, 1895, in Kansas City and is listed in the 1920 Census as living with her father. She worked as an office girl for a wholesale company and as a counter attendant in the Forum Cafeteria. She died unmarried on Mar.4, 1975, and is buried in Highland Park Cemetery.
BIG SAM SON OF ROBERT & MARY MAHOOD PALMER MARRIED TWICE
PALMER.
Erected by Samuel Palmer of Portavogie for wife Eliza Jane died May 19, 1897, age 30. [ Samuel Palmer to Eliza Jane Hughes in Glastry Meetinghouse on Aug.18, 1888.]
Son William died Jul.19, 1897, age 4 mths.
Also wife Elizabeth died Oct.27, 1917, age 42. [Samuel Palmer to Elizabeth Tibbs in Greyabbey Presbyterian Church on Jul.9, 1898]
Also daughter Annie died Dec.10, 1933, age 39.
Above Samuel died Jul.28, 1953, age 87.
Son Thomas died Mar.10, 1983, aged 75. DID NOT MARRY
Also son Robert Hughes died 1986 aged 93.
The late Capt. Sam Warnock SON OF SARAH "SALLY" NEE PALMER & WM. WARNOCK & g son of Big Sam above told me that he was the same family as "Sunbeam" and I've only now been able to join them up.
SON OF JOHN & NANCY PALMER
John MARRIED MARY PIPER & LIVED IN Sunbeam House
John's Birth in Glastry.
MIC/IP111 Reel 1 3018 John John Palmer Nancy McKibbin Portavogie 01.04.1846 15.04.1846**
John Palmer to Mary Anne Piper in Glastry Meetinghouse on Dec.31, 1877
31.12.1877 John Palmer Full Bachelor Fisherman Portavogie
Mary Piper Full Spinster Portavogie
FATHERS John Palmer Farmer
William Piper Farmer
WITNESSES William Piper
Marianne
MIC/IP111/2 4617 Agnes John Palmer Mary Piper Portavogie 11.04.1880
MIC/IP111/2 4728 William Piper John Palmer Mary Piper Portavogie 10.08.1883
MIC/IP111/2 4777 Adam John Palmer Mary Piper Portavogie 20.08.1885
MIC/IP111/2 4689 John John Palmer Mary Pyper Portavogie 20.05.1882
MIC/IP111/2 4895 Mary Elizabeth John Palmer Mary Pyper Portavogie 10.05.1888
GLASTRY PRES. CHURCH
PALMER.
Erected by John Palmer of Portavogie for his son Adam died Jan.31, 1909, age 23.
Above John died Oct.15, 1930, age 84 yrs. BORN 1846 **
Wife Mary died Jul.17, 1941, age 87.
Daughter Agnes Taylor died Mar.25, 1948.
15 15.07.1902 Thomas Taylor Full Bachelor Boilermaker Belfast FATHER John Taylor Blacksmith
Aggie Palmer Full Spinster Portavogie FATHER John Palmer Carpenter
WITHESSES John Pyper Nancy Palmer
Son John died in Auckland NZ on Mar.11, 1949. married Mary Ellen MURPHY c 1905 in Auckland.
Father of Mary Ellen was Edward Murphy (married Sarah Beckett) family were from Lurgan, Co.Armagh emigrated to New Zealand in 1874.
Many thanks to Richard and Maureen Brougham Napier New Zealand for the information on John.
Mary Elizabeth died Mar.10, 1952, age 74 did not marry.
Wife of son William Piper Palmer, Jane died Sep.25, 1999, age 96 yrs.
William emigrated to the US and as a 25-year-old single engineer from Portavogie arrived in New York on Apr.11, 1908, aboard the ``Baltic'' from Liverpool. He was bound for his brother Adam Palmer, 5530 May Street, Chicago. In Chicago he worked in a steel mill and married Francis E. Wilson whose mother was Jane Savage (born Sep.28, 1851, in Portaferry) and whose father was William Wilson (born May 10, 1849, in Glastry) Francis died in an awful train accident in Sep. 1948.
A few years later in 1950 or 1951 William returned to Northern Ireland and lived with Addie and Deborah Taylor at 5 Edgecumbe Park, until he bought a home at 2 Gloucester Avenue, Donaghadee. He married Jane (or Jean) Palmer from Donaghadee.
William died on Aug.25, 1958, aged 74 and Jane on Sep.25, 1999, aged 96; they are buried in Glastry graveyard. William's children: Evelyn Violet Palmer was born on Dec.19, 1910, and married Harry Herman Volkmar on Jul.30 in the early 1930s. They had a daughter:
1. HarLyn Jean Palmer Volkmar was born on Dec.30, 1941, and grew up in Riverdale, Illinois. She married a man named Mlynek.
Thanks to Harlyn for the information on William.
1901
Residents of a house 14 in Portavogue (Ballyhalbert, Down)
Palmer John 54 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Down Farmer and Carpenter Read and write Married
Palmer Mary 48 Female Wife Presbyterian Co Down Embroiderer Read and write Married
Palmer Agnes 20 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Down Dressmaker Read and write Not Married
Palmer Adam* 15 Male Son Presbyterian Co Down Scholar Read and write Not Married
Palmer M C 12 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Down Scholar Read and write Not Married
Palmer Jane 57 BORN 1844 Female Sister in Law Church of Ireland Co Down Dressmaker Read and write Widow
Adam* Palmer, 21-year-old single carpenter from Portavogie (born in Kircubbin) arrived in New York on Nov.23, 1906, aboard the ``Cedric'' from Liverpool. He was bound for his brother William Palmer,**5530 May Street, Chicago.
William Palmer, 25-year-old single engineer from Portavogie arrived in New York on Apr.11, 1908, aboard the ``Baltic'' from Liverpool. He was bound for his brother *Adam Palmer, **5530 May Street, Chicago.
Adam died Jan.31, 1909, age 23 and is buried in Glastry.
Sons of Sam. Palmer & Annie nee Millar [note all are going to the same address in Chicago **.]
Samuel Palmer, 23-year-old single carpenter from Ballyhalbert (brother of John Palmer of Ballyhalbert) arrived in New York on Feb.20, 1909, aboard the ``Baltic'' from Liverpool. He was with his friend William McWhirk and bound for his friend, Thomas Polly, at **5530 May Street, Chicago.
1911 CENSUS
Residents of a house 177 in Portavogie (Ballyhalbert, Down) "SUNBEAM" THE HOUSE FACES WEST SO GETS THE AFTERNOON SUN.
Palmer John 65 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Down Carpenter Read and write Married 34 5 4
Palmer Mary NEE PIPER 57 Female Wife Presbyterian Co Down Read and write Married 34 5 4
Palmer Mary 22 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Down Read and write Single DID NOT MARRY
Taylor John 4 Male Grand Son Presbyterian Belfast Cannot read Single
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