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« on: January 27, 2011, 10:31:46 AM »

Here's a new film coming out in a couple of weeks: The Eagle.

I plan to see it.

Looks good, even if some of the Picts or Caledonians have Mohawk hairstyles. :-)
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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2011, 11:37:42 AM »

Quale seme sparsero le legioni di Roma!
Frutto della violenza è sempre
L’amore.

What a  seed spread  the legions of Rome!
Fruit of the violence is always
The love.

(Gioiello Tognoni)
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2011, 12:27:17 PM »

Yes, the Roman Empire became a heritage shared by at least all Western Europeans and, arguably, by the whole world.
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2011, 01:51:35 PM »

Looks like it might be good.  Centurion was ok.  I hope this one is better.
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2011, 01:58:12 PM »

Yes, the Roman Empire became a heritage shared by at least all Western Europeans and, arguably, by the whole world.
Greeks, Romans, Germans, Spaniards, Portuguese, French, Englishmen, Russians…
We should never forget what we are.
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2011, 04:11:38 PM »

Yeah, sure, whatever.
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2011, 01:01:57 PM »

Romans never came to Ireland .Yet for centuries Mass was in latin. Says a lot for their influance. Has anybody got any thinking on why they did'nt come to Ireland.
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2011, 01:10:58 PM »

Just seen the trailer looks fun. But as for an historical accuracy - just lap up the action and enjoy the .
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2011, 01:16:26 PM »

Probably they weren't interested: too much wild, too much cold. They didn't conquest either Scotland but preferred to make "Vallum Hadriani et Vallum Antonini".
Between Britannia and "Ireland" they had the sea. Probably people was very scarce.
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2011, 07:14:13 PM »

I believe there is some evidence the Romans traded with the Irish.

They pushed north into Scotland and even built the Antonine Wall across central Scotland in A.D. 142. The Romans abandoned it about 20 or so years later and withdrew to Hadrian's Wall. Guess they figured Scotland wasn't worth the trouble.
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2011, 04:47:20 PM »

I read some where that large Irish hunting dogs (presumably wolfhounds) were prizedin Rome. It gave a name of someone who had bought one. As for why they never went to Ireland. I think the reason are the same as why they never stayed in scotland plus another sea voyge. Desrtion seems to have been a problem in Vindlanda on Hadrians wall. Though there is what is discribed as a superfort that has been put forward as a staging post for an invasion but it may have been purely defencive. I think it was Agricola who siad he could take Ireland with 1 legion.I can't help thinking that Irenand ,N.Scotland and north of the Rineland held more in common with each othr than they did with Gaul etc. If these areas were as costly to hold as britian or more so it simply wasn't worth it. Ireland was not what it was in the Bronze-age. It was largely depopulated and reforested. All the rumors must have had an effect of moral on the legions and the generals must have knoen it to much of a gamble with little chance of returns. Or maybe they were scared of us lol.
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2011, 07:45:24 AM »

Looks good, even if some of the Picts or Caledonians have Mohawk hairstyles. :-)

Yup, this seems more realistic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmy6OaZEAhE&NR=1&feature=fvwp

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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2011, 08:42:35 PM »

Looks good, even if some of the Picts or Caledonians have Mohawk hairstyles. :-)

Yup, this seems more realistic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmy6OaZEAhE&NR=1&feature=fvwp

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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2011, 07:16:40 PM »

The Eagle opens at theaters in my area tomorrow. Hope I can see it this weekend, but it might have to wait until next weekend.
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2011, 07:58:41 PM »

I believe there is some evidence the Romans traded with the Irish.

They pushed north into Scotland and even built the Antonine Wall across central Scotland in A.D. 142. The Romans abandoned it about 20 or so years later and withdrew to Hadrian's Wall. Guess they figured Scotland wasn't worth the trouble.

Hi rich, I hope all is well.
There is at least one possible Roman connection to Ireland.
http://www.archaeology.org/9605/newsbriefs/ireland.html

I hope to catch the Eagle  also. I liked the introduction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_cYUGpAoJw
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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2011, 08:36:23 PM »

I'm all right. Looks like I might be going to see it tomorrow evening.
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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2011, 09:37:26 PM »

I'm all right. Looks like I might be going to see it tomorrow evening.

I plan on seeing this too. But I have one question. Are those mohawk warriors supposed to be Picts or something else? The director, MacDonald, said they were to be akin to some Inuit-type people or something. Maybe I'm wrong.

I know that Jamie Bell is supposed to be a Celt travelling with the Roman Centurion into Scotland.
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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2011, 09:38:17 AM »

I saw The Eagle yesterday.
I was not overly impressed.
 
I was geared up to see it, but I  found it a little weak in acting and script.
I liked the props, and some of the costumes,
but I think more of the film should have been focussed on the quest's adventure.

As for the blue mohawk people, it seems to me that these acting picts were wearing blue all the time, and for me the clean-cut mohawk style didn't fit in with the rest of the unkept actors of the region.

I give it a 5/10
I doubt I would pay to see it again.
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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2011, 02:08:49 PM »

I saw The Eagle yesterday.
I was not overly impressed.
 
I was geared up to see it, but I  found it a little weak in acting and script.
I liked the props, and some of the costumes,
but I think more of the film should have been focussed on the quest's adventure.

As for the blue mohawk people, it seems to me that these acting picts were wearing blue all the time, and for me the clean-cut mohawk style didn't fit in with the rest of the unkept actors of the region.

I give it a 5/10
I doubt I would pay to see it again.


I saw it last night and I liked it . . . a lot. But I went in expecting to be disappointed. Maybe that was the difference.

I agree about the Picts, who were a little too much like blue-painted Amerindians for my taste, but I think that is a minor quibble.

Any such film is going to involve a heavy slug of "the willing suspension of disbelief", so that's what I do - willingly suspend disbelief.

It worked. I loved it and would actually pay to see it again.

Hollywood is not making enough of these kinds of films.

I thought "The Eagle" was an exciting, engaging film.
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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2011, 04:42:19 PM »

Saw it yesterday.  I liked it, for what I was expecting, a good action flick.  I didn't see anything that stood out as being historically inaccurate other than the mohawks on the one tribe.  I hope someone will eventually make one about the Teutoberg forest massacre.
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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2011, 06:44:16 PM »

Thanks for the film reviews. I shall certainly be watching out for this when it comes to my locality. Not sure about the Mohican haircuts though and feel sure that my probable ancestors will be turning in their graves. The Pictish carved stones would seem to indicate that the Picts had long hair. Anyway, looking forward to seeing the film.
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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2011, 09:38:19 PM »

Thanks for the film reviews. I shall certainly be watching out for this when it comes to my locality. Not sure about the Mohican haircuts though and feel sure that my probable ancestors will be turning in their graves. The Pictish carved stones would seem to indicate that the Picts had long hair. Anyway, looking forward to seeing the film.

Yeah, like Rich said, there are some parts where one has to suspend disbelief, but I enjoy historical movies about Britain, especially Northern Britain.
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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2011, 11:01:10 AM »

I was wondering how long a journey like that might take, to find the Eagle?

A week? a month?...more?
Our 2 stars never sprouted a whisker between them, in this time.

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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2011, 12:37:16 PM »

I recently watched the story of Ireland and low and behold there was an Iron Age bog body with a mowhawk. If I remember right it was found in the Irish Midlands
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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2011, 11:51:34 PM »

"Scientists examining prehistoric bodies found in the peat bogs of Ireland have discovered evidence of careful grooming on male corpses. One of the bodies, dug up in 2003 at Clonycavan, near Dublin, had Mohawk-style hair, held in place with a gel substance."  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article695881.ece

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