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Maliclavelli
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« on: January 16, 2011, 04:21:55 AM »

Many thanks to Vincent Vizachero for having added Italian Mangino to his “ht35 project” . Probably he is the most ancient, since the most varied, found so far:

DYS393=13
DYS19=16
DYS426=12
DYS388=13
YCAII=18-23 that for me is the modal and linked to the only Italian 17-23
DYS578=8
DYS413=20-21
DYS534=13
DYS446=15
DYS617=11
DYS565=13

I leave the other markers to the Vizachero’s calculations.

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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2011, 12:31:35 PM »

Are Vizachero sure that Mangino is R1b1b2* and not R1b1? He is very close to the R1b1 (V88-, L389+), like many Jews like Van Oven etc., who generated R1b1b and R1b1b1 and R1b1b2. If so, this Italian could be the witness of those ancient persons and probably some different SNP should have on the line to M269, that probably wasn't the last of the series. A 23andme would be interesting and it would be worth to fund it.
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2011, 01:30:44 AM »

Are Vizachero sure that Mangino is R1b1b2* and not R1b1?
It's possible FTDNA made an error on the SNPs.  His haplotype would be highly unusual for R-M269.
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2011, 02:39:39 AM »

Of course I hope that Mangino is R1b1b2* (M269), because he would be extremely interesting, probably the link between R1b1* (V88-/L389+) and R-M269 perhaps with some break in the chain of three dozen SNPs and sincerely I am a little surprised if FTDNA can have done a similar mistake. But even though he is R1b1 (V88-/L389+) he would be extremely interesting, because he would be the first Italian to match those Jews like Van Oven and others who are very close and with a very recent ancestor. You could say that Southern Italians can derive from Jews after the Diaspora, but also all my hypotheses should be examined again. Mangino/Mancino should be from Campania, but probably you know where he comes from.

Anyway if he was R1b1b2* I am ready to subscribe for a 23andME.
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2011, 12:03:32 PM »

. . .  I am a little surprised if FTDNA can have done a similar mistake.
We've seen mistakes like this happen before, and I'm pretty sure your first instinct was right (that he is M269-).  Anyway, I'm happy to have another R1b1* from Italy.
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