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NealtheRed
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« on: June 10, 2010, 11:17:07 AM »

I just got my 23andMe results back and I have the AA genotype on MCM6: which is associated with lactose tolerance.

I know there was a topic about this previously, but I figured bringing it up again within the context of R1b is pertinent.

I wonder if most R1b-folks carry this genotype?
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2010, 12:36:43 PM »

I am R1b1b2a and am CC: lactose intolerant, even though I drink cappuccino every morning.

I think that the lactose tolerance is more diffused in Central and North-West Europe and not linked with hg. R (many are thinking that there was a selection of some sort). It is anyway strange that you, who are of Italian descent from the mother side, are AA. Italy, above all South Italy, is  prevailingly lactose intolerant.
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2010, 01:15:26 PM »

Right, my mother's side is from Southern Italy. Interestingly enough, my maternal great-grandmother could NOT drink milk at all. She would get extremely sick.
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2010, 01:17:38 PM »

I am R1b1b2a and am CC: lactose intolerant, even though I drink cappuccino every morning.


Maybe this suggests that P312+ L21+ men descend from a more nomadic, pastoral entry in Europe.
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2010, 06:24:39 PM »

I love Milk.  Cold chocolate milk..yum!

And what of the Land of Milk and Honey?
They found 3000 year old Bee Hives in the Jordon Valley.
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-ancient-bees-20100608%2C0%2C4547302.story

They mention a possible trade link with Turkey.
Could the Bees in Turkey have come from the Jordon Valley?

Could Turkey be the Land of Milk and Honey too?
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2010, 09:18:01 PM »

I've never been tested for lactase persistence, but I have never had a problem with consuming milk or other dairy products. I use milk, cheese, yogurt, etc., on a regular basis, too (milk just about every day).

My dad has always been a big milk drinker, and my mom's family had cows when she was growing up. They had their dairy products fresh and homemade.

I've also had goat milk and horse milk and neither of those gave me any problems either.
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2010, 09:47:30 PM »

Remember this thread, which had to do with lactase persistence in the British Isles?

The scientific report mentioned in that thread found that lactase persistence increases in frequency as one moves north and west in the British Isles. That would also be the direction of increasing R-L21 frequency, but perhaps that is just coincidental.
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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2010, 09:48:04 PM »

These Boots are made for walking.

Copper Age
5,500-year-old cowhide shoe in an Armenian cave.

http://www.sciencenews.org/view//id/60099/title/Ancient_shoe_steps_out_of_cave_and_into_limelight

Otzi had Deer and Bear shoes.
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