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« Reply #75 on: September 10, 2010, 09:27:20 PM »

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there is a refeance to Nuada agait lamh a tuatha De Dannan king who had a troop of Sythian body guard.
Some people link the Tuatha to bronze age settelers.
The term Scythian seem to pop up in places you would not really expect them but are normally assosiated with horses so maybe the term was used to discribe mercenary cavalry in ancient sorces. Rather like the english refer to the Germans as Huns in WW2.
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« Reply #76 on: September 25, 2010, 12:12:20 PM »

Some food for thought.

Regarding a link previously posted by OConner to information about recent excavations in the ancient Syrian kingdom of Qatnas revealing connections with ancient Egypt. The burials there have been dated to between 1650 and 1550 BC which is only about 200 years before Tutankhamun's birth.
http://www.archaeologydaily.com/news/201009125037/Qatnas-Royal-Palace-reveals-further-archaeological-treasures.html

...along with some further info on Qatna....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatna

...not far from Anatolian R1b territory.
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« Reply #77 on: September 26, 2010, 04:19:58 PM »

There are a lot of goups I haven't heard of.
I was just reading a bit about the Mitanni

http://www.livius.org/mi-mn/mitanni/mitanni.html
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« Reply #78 on: September 29, 2010, 02:00:52 PM »

this thread has got me thinking perhaps
there was 2 methods of the spread of IE/Proto IE
from the SW.Asia and Step area
1 the usual clan/tribe based migration east to west
across Europe mainly north of the alps to the Atlantic. the traditional idea.
2 mercenaries `gangs' generally through a SW Asia along the Mediterranean.
These were probably initially chariot specialists or had iron weapons, later cavalry.
these gangs were obviously more mobile and male dominated
I say `gangs' rather than tribes as they would likely have mixed with  soldiers other similar origins/cultures (horse based).
I don't think its hard to believe that they would have left more of a DNA trail
than an archaeological one `spoils of war' and all that.
being warriors it is probable that they didn't have any permanent large scale settlements though some may have been given lands here and there
not leaving any continuous trail. maybe a specific fought 1 season in Egypt the next got a better `price' and went back east or maybe home. This could even be to a migrating tribe(s) hence home could have moved.
There is a theory that the Hebrews were Mercenaries hired by Egypt then `put to the land'.
Interestingly they are the only people I hane herd of hing a unit of left-handed warriors,specialists.
I was wondering to wether this could explain why Germanics and Celts had gods nearly identical except in names but Germans seemed to be based more on an Asiatic shamanism and the Celts on a med.. priesthood (careful about `Druid' it's a point of controversy) more `schooled' than the lone clan shaman With ehe Atlantic being the stopping point could this have led to the cultural Celtic west to east spread Cunlieff talks about.
This is a massive generalization probably full of flaws.
Interestingly Miledh (Miles of Spain) was supposed to be a mrecanary in Egypt at the time Soloman est.about 1,000 BC.and to my Knowledge there has never been a La Tene style chariot found in Ireland. Plenty of horse and `cart' regalia.
I'm not putting this out as a fully fledged Theorey but more of a question could this explain or hint to answers to the spread of some R1... and derivatives clusters where you don't expect the and absences where you do.
I hope some of the more `learned pick up and reply 
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« Reply #79 on: January 24, 2011, 06:37:56 PM »

Royal rumpus over King Tutankhamun's ancestry

Can we be sure which mummy was the daddy? When a state-of-the-art DNA analysis of Tutankhamun and other ancient Egyptian royals was published last year, its authors hailed it as "the final word" on the pharaoh's family tree. But others are now voicing doubts

....more
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20014-royal-rumpus-over-king-tutankhamuns-ancestry.html


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« Reply #80 on: January 25, 2011, 10:17:20 AM »

Royal rumpus over King Tutankhamun's ancestry
Can we be sure which mummy was the daddy? When a state-of-the-art DNA analysis of Tutankhamun and other ancient Egyptian royals was published last year, its authors hailed it as "the final word" on the pharaoh's family tree. But others are now voicing doubts
....more
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20014-royal-rumpus-over-king-tutankhamuns-ancestry.html

This is why I don't think ancient DNA will provide conclusive answers anytime soon.  There will be arguments over who was who until there is a representative sample of ancient DNA per each culture targeted.
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