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Maliclavelli
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« on: June 19, 2010, 08:52:00 AM »

Dienekes has posted on his blog the results captured from Russian television
(www.1tv.ru) of some genetic data extracted from bones of Michelangelo Merisi
(Caravaggio). He is clearly YDNA E1b1b2a (E-V13). He has the very rare DYS390=27
which makes the link with the Merisis tested for me certain beyond any doubt.
This makes us think to the Italian E1b1b2a, that in other occasions I found
very deeply rooted in my country and doubtful an its recent coming from Balkans.

Among other oddities of this haplogroup in Italy I found some E1b1b2a with
DYS19=9: see Galliano (Ysearch E4U93). On YHRD there are two guys with DYS19=9
tested by Antonia Picornell from Reggio Calabria, who differ from Galliano in
DYS389=14-31 against 13-30, in DYS390=24 against 25 and in DYS385=14-17 and 14-18
against 14-19. Being the other markers in the modal, I think it makes us think
to my theory of the mutations around the modal, not being likely that very slow
mutating markers mutate from many steps and the fast mutating ones remain the same.
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MtDNA: K1a1b1e

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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2010, 06:33:37 AM »

In the E3b project of Haplozone this cluster is E1b1b1a2-B. There are six members, among them Galliano from SMGF I put on Ysearch as E4U93 (Cellier, Galliano, Junod, Ramondino, Schiffley, Willoughby): 3 are from Switzerland, 2 from Italy, one from Ireland. If we add the two Italian guys tested by Picornell who are on YHRD and a new Italian from SMGF (Villano), it is clear that Italians are the most part and we can hypothesize that this cluster was born in Italy.

Vadim Urasin (Geograficeskoe otnesenie nekotoryx vetvei filogeneticeskogo dreva E1b1b1a2-V13, in RJGG, 2009, 17-22) says that this cluster was born during the 11th century BC. We don't know if these datings a la Klyosov are reliable (I personally have always doubted), but clearly this cluster demonstrates once more an irradiation from Italy to Switzerland and the British isles. The fact that we find it in Ireland should make us think to a more ancient time, probably of some thousands of years.

Antonio Villano (Italy):
13,24,9,11,14-18,11,12,12,14,11,31,15,9-9,11,11,26,14,19,32,
14-15.3-16-17, 9,12,19-21,18,12,10,12,12,12,12,13,23,12,14,10,30,18.
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