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« Reply #150 on: April 10, 2010, 08:39:48 PM »

No, but you have to match the key markers. There's no point in having EVERYONE test for L159 is they won't be positive for it! lol
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« Reply #151 on: April 10, 2010, 08:42:45 PM »

I just noticed something interesting. Both the Weymouth (Dorset) and Plummer (Essex) not only match the L159 modal, but they also share my value of 14 at DYS393.

They are both Southern English. There might be good reason to think my folks came from Southern England, and if there is any ancient connection to Flanders or the Netherlands (due to some of the matches), that might very well make some sense.
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« Reply #152 on: April 12, 2010, 05:16:29 PM »

A Singleton just joined the project and ordered L159. The MDKA is also from Dorset, England. It looks like Southern England is popular this week, lol.
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« Reply #153 on: April 12, 2010, 05:24:29 PM »

More British Isles folk.

I wonder if R-L159.2 will go all the way to Switzerland.
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« Reply #154 on: April 13, 2010, 08:15:31 PM »

A Green and Meyer just joined the L159 Project.

Green's MDKA is from South Yorkshire, England. He currently lives in Cambridgeshire.

Meyer's MDKA is from Dithmarschen, Schleswig-Holstein.
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« Reply #155 on: April 13, 2010, 08:38:10 PM »

A Green and Meyer just joined the L159 Project.

Green's MDKA is from South Yorkshire, England. He currently lives in Cambridgeshire.

Meyer's MDKA is from Dithmarschen, Schleswig-Holstein.
Have they tested for L21 and L159.2, or do they just match the STR profile?
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« Reply #156 on: April 13, 2010, 10:01:46 PM »

A Green and Meyer just joined the L159 Project.

Green's MDKA is from South Yorkshire, England. He currently lives in Cambridgeshire.

Meyer's MDKA is from Dithmarschen, Schleswig-Holstein.
Have they tested for L21 and L159.2, or do they just match the STR profile?

Hi GoldenHind,

They just match the profile: DYS448 = 18, DYS389i and ii = 14,30, DYS557= 17 or higher, and DYS446 = 14 or higher.

Those are the markers I look for in the database, but Kirsten Saxe has a list of folks that match it too. Dirk of Germany-YDNA sent over Meyer for testing.
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« Reply #157 on: April 13, 2010, 10:21:10 PM »

If anybody sees a sample that has the aforementioned values, let me know! A sample must have all of the values. I am noticing that a mismatch on DYS448 (19 repeats) or on DYS557/DYS446 usually results in L159-.
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« Reply #158 on: April 14, 2010, 07:16:59 PM »

ok....but then it is a Look-like L159.2 Project? ;)

I can understand people wanting to be R-L159.2+ like me.
It's the "Humble Mutation"

Shouldn't they be at least "Pending Results"?

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« Reply #159 on: April 14, 2010, 07:55:26 PM »

ok....but then it is a Look-like L159.2 Project? ;)

I can understand people wanting to be R-L159.2+ like me.
It's the "Humble Mutation"

Shouldn't they be at least "Pending Results"?



Hahaha that is exactly what it is!

I am waiting on Meyer to test for 464X. The ones currently testing for L159 are Richardson and Shingleton.

Mike, Kirsten Saxe sent me a list of your closest matches to recruit, some of them Murphys.
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« Reply #160 on: April 15, 2010, 07:03:06 AM »

I hope you get some of the 12 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 Murphys.
(I think the Murphys hold the Cadbury Secret ;)

Also a couple Toole with 464= 15 15 16 16 look to me like possible L159's
(I am surprised by the Leinster names.)

I'm still wondering about Kavanagh? Did one test for L159.2?


 
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« Reply #161 on: April 19, 2010, 08:20:05 AM »

I just noticed something interesting. Both the Weymouth (Dorset) and Plummer (Essex) not only match the L159 modal, but they also share my value of 14 at DYS393.

They are both Southern English. There might be good reason to think my folks came from Southern England, and if there is any ancient connection to Flanders or the Netherlands (due to some of the matches), that might very well make some sense.

A Person from the Cain Project is wondering if she should test for L159.2
I did notice your 393-14. She is 41/43 to my L159 Y-search entry.
What do you think?

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Rory Cane from the Cane project is in my 23/25 matches.

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« Reply #162 on: April 20, 2010, 11:18:59 PM »

Yeah, man. I'm not opposed to her joining, but I am not sure if her line could be L159+. Murphy joined the project last week; Kirsten Saxe referred him over.

Right now I am waiting on L159 results from Richardson and Shingleton. Rennie has 464X results pending; he is already L159+.

This is very interesting because most of the surnames that match the L159 modal (besides the Leinster folk) on Ysearch are common from Yorkshire to Glasgow - Northern England to Lowland Scotland.

Whoever it was, their lineage was really successful in Northern Britain.
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« Reply #163 on: April 21, 2010, 10:13:37 PM »

a Murphy is  R-L159.2+ ??
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« Reply #164 on: April 22, 2010, 08:57:29 AM »

A MacKenzie just came back L159+, matching the modal markers. His MDKA is from Fodderty, Ross, Scotland.
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« Reply #165 on: April 22, 2010, 06:45:11 PM »

I just noticed something interesting. Both the Weymouth (Dorset) and Plummer (Essex) not only match the L159 modal, but they also share my value of 14 at DYS393.

They are both Southern English. There might be good reason to think my folks came from Southern England, and if there is any ancient connection to Flanders or the Netherlands (due to some of the matches), that might very well make some sense.

So do i match this Model?  are you sure its a model for all L159.2?
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« Reply #166 on: April 22, 2010, 11:05:40 PM »

Hey, Mike. You and Manning are the only ones who do not match the L159 modal, yet are L159+. So far, the modal has been very stable in telling us who is L159+ or not.

The 14 on DYS393 is not a common value within L159, but it might be an English lineage, particularly Southern English.

The Murphy who joined the project is close to your type, but has not tested for L159 yet.
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« Reply #167 on: April 24, 2010, 11:21:14 PM »

Thanks to Rich, I noticed another German in the German Language Project that may be L159+. The surname is Baugh.

He matches on all the key markers, and does not look to be P312*!
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« Reply #168 on: April 25, 2010, 08:12:50 PM »

No, but you have to match the key markers. There's no point in having EVERYONE test for L159 is they won't be positive for it! lol

If I don't match your key markers, and I am R-L159.2+
Then there is some point in testing other people.

If you just test the look-alikes..everyone will look the same.
Maybe I will have to work harder to find people to test who have similar sequences to mine. Its good a Murphy joined the project. Is he testing for R-L159.2?
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« Reply #169 on: April 25, 2010, 10:16:50 PM »

Hey, Mike,

I totally agree with you. Kirsten sent me a message a few days ago stating how she wants more folks recruited with your haplotype to see how extensive L159 is within L21.

You're right, we won't know for sure unless we broaden our horizons a bit. I just look for key markers because it is easier to ask someone to spend money on something I know for certain for which they will be positive.
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« Reply #170 on: April 25, 2010, 10:23:42 PM »

I looked through the SMGF database and found some new names that match the modal. Notice that some of these names are common players in the L159 club:

Murphy
Beattie
York
Cotham
Reese
Mattinson
Deaton
Sedeniussen
O'Brien

The markers I used are DYS393, DYS390, DYS19, DYS389i and ii, DYS385a and b, DYS437, DYS448, DYS449, DYS460, GATAH4, and DYS446.

The above matched 13/13 on the key markers.
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« Reply #171 on: April 30, 2010, 09:47:53 AM »

Mr. Rennie came back CCGG today! He is also L159+, the one I found by mere chance.
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« Reply #172 on: April 30, 2010, 02:55:05 PM »

Mr. Shingleton just got his CCGG result on 464X, so we are just waiting on L159 for him.
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« Reply #173 on: May 06, 2010, 08:27:26 AM »

Richardson came back L159+ today!
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« Reply #174 on: May 07, 2010, 08:07:10 AM »

Mr. Duoos just joined the L159 Project this morning. His MDKA is from Norway. He matches all the key markers, but what is interesting is he shares the 10 on DYS391 and 16 on DYS464c that the Sedeniussen match on SMGF has.

Sedeniussen is from Troms, Norway.
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