World Families Forums - L226+ Results

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
July 11, 2014, 09:50:06 AM
Home Help Search Login Register

+  World Families Forums
|-+  General Forums - Note: You must Be Logged In to post. Anyone can browse.
| |-+  R1b General (Moderator: rms2)
| | |-+  L226+ Results
« previous next »
Pages: [1] Go Down Print
Author Topic: L226+ Results  (Read 1436 times)
rms2
Board Moderator
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5023


« on: November 17, 2009, 08:09:37 PM »

There are nine L226 test results in this evening. Of them, five are L226+. All of them appear to be Irish and are in the new R-L226 category on the Y-DNA Results page of the R-L21 Plus Project (in bright red). If you are expecting L226 results, check the bottom of your Haplotree page.
 
The L226+ positives are:
 
Wright
Wear
O'Hara
Casey
Reilly

 
Congratulations, gents!
Logged

Jdean
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 678


« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2009, 08:33:04 PM »

There are nine L226 test results in this evening. Of them, five are L226+. All of them appear to be Irish and are in the new R-L226 category on the Y-DNA Results page of the R-L21 Plus Project (in bright red). If you are expecting L226 results, check the bottom of your Haplotree page.
 
The L226+ positives are:
 
Wright
Wear
O'Hara
Casey
Reilly

 
Congratulations, gents!

All different names and a max GD of 20 over the whole lot, I think that's pretty conclusive, congrats indeed.

Can we assume this is going to be primarily an Irish SNP like M222
Logged

Y-DNA R-DF49*
MtDNA J1c2e
Kit No. 117897
Ysearch 3BMC9

rms2
Board Moderator
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5023


« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2009, 08:58:54 PM »

There are nine L226 test results in this evening. Of them, five are L226+. All of them appear to be Irish and are in the new R-L226 category on the Y-DNA Results page of the R-L21 Plus Project (in bright red). If you are expecting L226 results, check the bottom of your Haplotree page.
 
The L226+ positives are:
 
Wright
Wear
O'Hara
Casey
Reilly

 
Congratulations, gents!

All different names and a max GD of 20 over the whole lot, I think that's pretty conclusive, congrats indeed.

Can we assume this is going to be primarily an Irish SNP like M222


That's what it looks like so far, but things could change, I guess.
Logged

NealtheRed
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 930


« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2009, 09:01:17 PM »

Does anyone know if L226 is parallel to L159.2 and L69?
Logged

Y-DNA: R-Z255 (L159.2+) - Downing (Irish Sea)


MTDNA: HV4a1 - Centrella (Avellino, Italy)


Ysearch: 4PSCK



GoldenHind
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 731


« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2009, 10:22:36 PM »

There are nine L226 test results in this evening. Of them, five are L226+. All of them appear to be Irish and are in the new R-L226 category on the Y-DNA Results page of the R-L21 Plus Project (in bright red). If you are expecting L226 results, check the bottom of your Haplotree page.
 
The L226+ positives are:
 
Wright
Wear
O'Hara
Casey
Reilly

 
Congratulations, gents!

All different names and a max GD of 20 over the whole lot, I think that's pretty conclusive, congrats indeed.

Can we assume this is going to be primarily an Irish SNP like M222


That's what it looks like so far, but things could change, I guess.
Maybe when they were shipping L21 from Aberdeen and Dundee to the continent, L226 persons were turned away?
Logged
vtilroe
Project Coordinator
Old Hand
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 150


« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2009, 11:29:02 PM »

Does anyone know if L226 is parallel to L159.2 and L69?
I haven't heard anything to the contrary, and so far it would appear that it is indeed the case:
http://ytree.ftdna.com/index.php?name=Draft&parent=72180454

Logged

YSearch & MitoSearch: 2GXWW


yDNA: R-U106*


mtDNA: U5a1a1 (Genbank# GQ368895)


R-P312-WTY Project Admin http://tinyurl.com/daertg

NealtheRed
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 930


« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2009, 11:35:39 PM »

There are nine L226 test results in this evening. Of them, five are L226+. All of them appear to be Irish and are in the new R-L226 category on the Y-DNA Results page of the R-L21 Plus Project (in bright red). If you are expecting L226 results, check the bottom of your Haplotree page.
 
The L226+ positives are:
 
Wright
Wear
O'Hara
Casey
Reilly

 
Congratulations, gents!

All different names and a max GD of 20 over the whole lot, I think that's pretty conclusive, congrats indeed.

Can we assume this is going to be primarily an Irish SNP like M222


That's what it looks like so far, but things could change, I guess.
Maybe when they were shipping L21 from Aberdeen and Dundee to the continent, L226 persons were turned away?

That's classic!
Logged

Y-DNA: R-Z255 (L159.2+) - Downing (Irish Sea)


MTDNA: HV4a1 - Centrella (Avellino, Italy)


Ysearch: 4PSCK



Jdean
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 678


« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2009, 07:28:48 AM »

Does anyone know if L226 is parallel to L159.2 and L69?

As somebody who is eminently unqualified to look at this data, it does seem that the L226+ candidate is negative for both L159 and L69.

As far as I can tell the L159 candidate's data doesn't quite stretch to where L226 was found, but overall is much less clear than the other reading anyway so it would probably be best to ask the FTDNA boffins

The L69 candidate doesn't have a reading for that section either
« Last Edit: November 18, 2009, 07:34:25 AM by Jdean » Logged

Y-DNA R-DF49*
MtDNA J1c2e
Kit No. 117897
Ysearch 3BMC9

rms2
Board Moderator
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5023


« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2009, 09:02:29 AM »

I haven't kept up with all the traffic about L226, but I believe it is supposed to coincide with the Irish Type III (YSearch NT4BZY)  cluster pretty closely.

www.irishtype3dna.org/
Logged

NealtheRed
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 930


« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2009, 09:39:19 AM »

Irish Type III is a pretty big group, eh?
Logged

Y-DNA: R-Z255 (L159.2+) - Downing (Irish Sea)


MTDNA: HV4a1 - Centrella (Avellino, Italy)


Ysearch: 4PSCK



Mike Walsh
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2963


WWW
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2009, 06:26:33 PM »

There is also an O'Brien, who I believe is the WTY participant.   There is also a Forbes Irish Type III according to Dennis W's web site.
Logged

R1b-L21>L513(DF1)>L705.2
argiedude
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 146


« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2009, 09:09:06 PM »

I didn't know some of these clusters were so distinctive. L226 seems to be easily identifiable by haplotype alone; L159 maybe.

These 2 SNPs don't seem to be recognized at ISOGG even as private mutations. Are they very new?

What's the name of the clusters associated with either haplogroup? I read something about Irish III for L226?
Logged

y-dna: R1b L21
mtdna: U5
NealtheRed
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 930


« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2009, 09:24:31 PM »

L159.2 transpired from a member of the Leinster cluster, or Irish Sea Haplotype.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2009, 09:24:54 PM by NealtheRed » Logged

Y-DNA: R-Z255 (L159.2+) - Downing (Irish Sea)


MTDNA: HV4a1 - Centrella (Avellino, Italy)


Ysearch: 4PSCK



argiedude
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 146


« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2009, 09:41:44 PM »

My analysis of L226 using ysearch samples.

Ireland......2,0%.......91/4637
Scotland.....0,4%......14/3117
England......0,2%......11/7257
Northwest....0,05%....1/2174

England includes Wales. Northwest is continental Europe, from north France to Sweden. The single northwest L226 came from Denmark, and its membership in the cluster is solid.

Percentages are over the total y-dna.
Logged

y-dna: R1b L21
mtdna: U5
argiedude
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 146


« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2009, 10:09:01 PM »

L226 in Ireland.



http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k178/argiedude/L226inIreland.gif


These samples came from ysearch. Irish samples in ysearch are pretty uniformly distributed across the island, with maybe a small overrepresentation of North Ireland.
Logged

y-dna: R1b L21
mtdna: U5
rms2
Board Moderator
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5023


« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2009, 08:22:09 AM »

My analysis of L226 using ysearch samples.

Ireland......2,0%.......91/4637
Scotland.....0,4%......14/3117
England......0,2%......11/7257
Northwest....0,05%....1/2174

England includes Wales. Northwest is continental Europe, from north France to Sweden. The single northwest L226 came from Denmark, and its membership in the cluster is solid.

Percentages are over the total y-dna.

It might be interesting to separate Wales from England. The settlement histories, especially relative to Ireland, are different. How many of those 11 Irish Type III haplotypes were from Wales?
« Last Edit: November 19, 2009, 08:22:46 AM by rms2 » Logged

Mike Walsh
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2963


WWW
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2009, 09:54:29 AM »

My analysis of L226 using ysearch samples.
Ireland......2,0%.......91/4637
Scotland.....0,4%......14/3117
England......0,2%......11/7257
Northwest....0,05%....1/2174

England includes Wales. Northwest is continental Europe, from north France to Sweden. The single northwest L226 came from Denmark, and its membership in the cluster is solid.  Percentages are over the total y-dna.
It might be interesting to separate Wales from England. The settlement histories, especially relative to Ireland, are different. How many of those 11 Irish Type III haplotypes were from Wales?
This is a slightly different cut at the data based on people that are L21+ tested and L226+ tested that I could find and insert in the big R-L21* spreadsheet out at "Files" in  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1113Combo/

The variety that I call R-L21-1189-T3-1 is a 67 marker view of Irish Type III:
zz16274 - Anderson - England, London, St Matthew
XZXCC - Bretheim
6JN52 - Briant
CD2C7 - Bryan
474NH - Casey - Ireland, Co. Kerry, Ballycarberty
2CX3V - Forbes - Scotland, Montrose
37DRT - Noland
ZHG9N - Noonan - Ireland, Co. Cork
9DJ2R - O'Brien - Ireland, Co. Clare, Killernan
WMBJR - O'Brien - Ireland
WC3H8 - O'Connor - Ireland, Co. Mullinahone
PFNY5 - O'Hara - Ireland
BNAHR - Reilly - Ireland, Co. Cork
KJZ48 - Roger - London, England
TXFTR - Ware - Ireland
6PWCD - Wright
WVRPF - Wright

The following group are from the varieties I call R-L21-1189-T3-2, R-L21-1189-T3* & R-L21-1189*.  Most would not say they are pure Irish Type III but I think it is reasonable to call them Irish Type III-like.
QURQS - Brown
3BJNX - Casey
QZ9GK - Collier
CC39H - Cusack - Ireland, Tipperary
6AFTT - Harvey - England, Warwickshire
SNN5Z - Harvey - England, Warwickshire
3FYBQ - Hogan
VUNGT - Jones - Wales
8AQ3Q - Kennedy - Ireland, Co. Tipperary
UFXCS - Walker - England, South Yorkshire, Sheffield

Dennis W has a lot more haplotypes (many that aren't deep clade tested but have a high number of Irish Type III marker matches) so he might have a more expansive view, although he may not track the Type III-"like" folks.
Logged

R1b-L21>L513(DF1)>L705.2
alan trowel hands.
Guru
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2012


« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2009, 12:41:26 PM »

L226 in Ireland.



http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k178/argiedude/L226inIreland.gif


These samples came from ysearch. Irish samples in ysearch are pretty uniformly distributed across the island, with maybe a small overrepresentation of North Ireland.

Certainly on the map its very concentrated in the SW quadrant of Ireland
Logged
argiedude
Old Hand
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 146


« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2009, 06:17:48 PM »

How many of those 11 Irish Type III haplotypes were from Wales?

None. Welsh samples numbered between 500 and 1000.
Logged

y-dna: R1b L21
mtdna: U5
Pages: [1] Go Up Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


SEO light theme by © Mustang forums. Powered by SMF 1.1.13 | SMF © 2006-2011, Simple Machines LLC

Page created in 0.148 seconds with 19 queries.