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Mark Jost
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« Reply #50 on: September 29, 2009, 04:27:22 PM »

I am just outside of all these clusters.. Closest TMCRA I have ever found was around 810 years, but I keep trying to get tied to one or another...lol ( at least I am keeping the testing companies alive in this recession)
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Neg: DF23 L513 L96 L144 Z255 Z253 DF21 DF41 (Z254 P66 P314.2 M37 M222  L563 L526 L226 L195 L193 L192.1 L159.2 L130 DF63 DF5 DF49)
WTYNeg: L555 L371 (L9/L10 L370 L302/L319.1 L554 L564 L577 P69 L626 L627 L643 L679)
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« Reply #51 on: September 29, 2009, 05:32:43 PM »

lol ( at least I am keeping the testing companies alive in this recession)

Hahaha

We're bound to find something, sometime!
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« Reply #52 on: September 29, 2009, 07:18:47 PM »

Do you know who tested negative? I know the Leinsiter cluster had a few testing as well.

Some members of the Beatty/Beattie family, Gaston, and a few others.
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« Reply #53 on: September 29, 2009, 07:24:57 PM »

Hahaha

We're bound to find something, sometime!

I'm still thrilled to be L21+. I thought 2008 was a pretty good SNP year: first P312 was discovered in March and then L21 in October.

I know everyone wants further refinements and SNPs that pinpoint geographic origin down to ggggggg-grandpa's outhouse, but I wish we were spending some of that money on finding out about the bird in the hand (L21).

Much of the European Continent is still terra incognita.

I can't blame the R-P312* guys for putting a lot of bucks into the WTY, though. They haven't gotten as far along as we have.
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« Reply #54 on: September 29, 2009, 07:32:08 PM »

So both L159+ results were members of the Leinster Haplotype as far as L21+ is concerned, is that correct?  This test only took two weeks; it seems worthwhile to continue testing further.  The implications of this SNP seem very curious.
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« Reply #55 on: September 29, 2009, 09:15:27 PM »

Yeah, it's still REALLY odd that two people with different surnames tested positive for L159 in a few weeks from each other. There's gotta be something to this, and more Leinster members will test. As for the Beatties, my closest STR-wise, they are still with me - in L21 purgatory LOL!


Rich, I totally agree. When I put it that way, it sounded as I was overlooking the recent advances we've made! I think I'm getting spoiled with this stuff.


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« Reply #56 on: September 29, 2009, 11:38:06 PM »

"I know everyone wants further refinements and SNPs that pinpoint geographic origin down to ggggggg-grandpa's outhouse, but I wish we were spending some of that money on finding out about the bird in the hand (L21).

Much of the European Continent is still terra incognita."


My two cents, I don't think any of this will be settled until full genome testing goes under $1,000 closer to $500.

Last I remember it was around $50,000, but the technology is improving steadily.

This piece meal, SNP by SNP by SNP testing  may be somewhat useful now, however, in the next few years we will see an explosion of data.

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« Reply #57 on: September 30, 2009, 12:04:33 AM »


"one million full genomes per year by 2013."


In my opinion, that's data worth waiting for.
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_genome_sequencing


" In April 2009, Complete Genomics announced that it plans to sequence 1,000 full genomes between June 2009 and the end of the year and that they plan to be able to sequence one million full genomes per year by 2013.[57] Complete Genomics plans to officially launch in June 2009, although it is unknown if their lab will have received CLIA-certification by that time.

In June 2009, Illumina announced that they were launching their own Personal Full Genome Sequencing Service at a depth of 30X for $48,000 per genome.[58] This is still expensive for widespread consumer use, but the price may decrease substantially over the next few years as they realize economies of scale and given the competition with other companies such as Complete Genomics.[59][60] Jay Flatley, Illumina's President & CEO, stated that "during the next five years, perhaps markedly sooner," the price point for full genome sequencing will fall from $48,000 to under $1,000.[61] Illumina has already signed agreements to supply full genome sequencing services to multiple direct-to-consumer personal genomics companies.

In August 2009, the founder of Helicos Biosciences, Dr. Stephen Quake, stated that using the company's Heliscope Single Molecule Sequencer he sequenced his own full genome for less than $50,000. He stated that he expects the cost to decrease to the $1,000 range within the the next two to three years."
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« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2009, 01:55:12 PM »

Ok,

I advise all who tested for L159.2 to re-check their FTDNA pages as mine does NOT say L159.2- but is back on my "Pending Lab Results" page.
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« Reply #59 on: October 01, 2009, 05:36:42 PM »

A testee for L159 received this e-mail from FTDNA today:

"Hello,Thank you for your email. Your L159- result was due to a brief glitch in the results collection system, which prematurely marked the test complete and assumed a negative result. We have fixed the bug and removed the L159 result. We do sometimes receive results within days of the test being ordered; your L159 test is processing now and will likely be complete within the next week.E-mail any time,Eileen Krause Murphy "
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« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2009, 06:06:19 PM »

Ok,

I advise all who tested for L159.2 to re-check their FTDNA pages as mine does NOT say L159.2- but is back on my "Pending Lab Results" page.

Clearly FTDNA are just trying to ratchet up the tension here
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« Reply #61 on: October 01, 2009, 06:44:18 PM »

According to the Leinster group administrator, we now have 3 L159+ men.
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« Reply #62 on: October 01, 2009, 07:19:07 PM »

Ditto.  I seriously hope they check the next results closely.
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« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2009, 07:46:59 PM »

I take that back: we now have 5 L159+, including the Beatties!! I'm next, hopefully!
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« Reply #64 on: October 01, 2009, 08:31:20 PM »

I am now back in L159 Test Pending status....
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Pos: Z245 L459 L21 DF13**
Neg: DF23 L513 L96 L144 Z255 Z253 DF21 DF41 (Z254 P66 P314.2 M37 M222  L563 L526 L226 L195 L193 L192.1 L159.2 L130 DF63 DF5 DF49)
WTYNeg: L555 L371 (L9/L10 L370 L302/L319.1 L554 L564 L577 P69 L626 L627 L643 L679)
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« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2009, 10:21:34 PM »

FTDNA did the same thing with L21 when it was first discovered. I originally had a negative result for it, but waited a week and got a positive result.
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« Reply #66 on: October 01, 2009, 11:18:06 PM »

I thought about it being way to soon for results but I just thought the segment had already been primed but not read before. I have had several other 'Optional' tests that came back in just several weeks or less.

When did you order your?
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Pos: Z245 L459 L21 DF13**
Neg: DF23 L513 L96 L144 Z255 Z253 DF21 DF41 (Z254 P66 P314.2 M37 M222  L563 L526 L226 L195 L193 L192.1 L159.2 L130 DF63 DF5 DF49)
WTYNeg: L555 L371 (L9/L10 L370 L302/L319.1 L554 L564 L577 P69 L626 L627 L643 L679)
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« Reply #67 on: October 02, 2009, 12:23:18 AM »

I was thinking the same thing. I ordered mine two weeks ago.
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« Reply #68 on: October 02, 2009, 10:53:34 AM »

About a week ago for me on September 23, so the wait is on. Any body know the age of the Leinster group?
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Pos: Z245 L459 L21 DF13**
Neg: DF23 L513 L96 L144 Z255 Z253 DF21 DF41 (Z254 P66 P314.2 M37 M222  L563 L526 L226 L195 L193 L192.1 L159.2 L130 DF63 DF5 DF49)
WTYNeg: L555 L371 (L9/L10 L370 L302/L319.1 L554 L564 L577 P69 L626 L627 L643 L679)
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« Reply #69 on: October 02, 2009, 11:05:27 AM »

At first, we thought it was some time around the Norman invasion of England and Ireland, but since we have some continental matches, the date could easily be pushed back a lot longer.
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« Reply #70 on: October 02, 2009, 12:05:56 PM »

At first, we thought it was some time around the Norman invasion of England and Ireland, but since we have some continental matches, the date could easily be pushed back a lot longer.
I've read some old books on the Cambro-Norman Invasion of Ireland, circa 1170 AD.   At that time I believe a clan was already present in the Leinster area that is where the Kavanaugh surname came from.  I think there is a Kavanaugh or two in the Leinster group.  If all is so, they were pre-Norman (in Ireland.)
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« Reply #71 on: October 02, 2009, 04:16:21 PM »

There are now 6 L159+ men.
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« Reply #72 on: October 02, 2009, 04:49:34 PM »

The surnames that tested L159+ so far are Carmack, FitzWilliam, Beatty/Beattie and Kavanaugh.

The cluster is confined to eastern Ireland and southwest Scotland, roughly.
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« Reply #73 on: October 02, 2009, 05:11:18 PM »

Do we know how many L159- among L21+?  And their locations?
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« Reply #74 on: October 02, 2009, 05:14:27 PM »

Those other testees for WTY tested negative, but I don't know their surnames or geographical location.

Nevertheless, I'm sure this SNP will split Ireland L21.
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