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« on: June 09, 2009, 01:05:05 PM »

I just did a Ysearch for haplgroup R1b1b1a1b5, without any letters after the "5" and I got a list back of 551 people.   Of course, there are a couple of modal haplotypes and some close family relative redundancies but that is still a lot.

You can't "Compare" the whole list to get haplotype detail without getting an error message.  Is there a work around for this?    Is there a fast way to check boxes for letters, example for last names A-H, then I-P, etc. or than the one click at a time?
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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2009, 01:28:35 PM »

Not that I now of. I think it's a matter of clicking each box, unfortunately.
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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2009, 11:17:56 AM »

L21* must be a very numerous paragroup.  I've downloaded all of the confirmed R-L21* I could find in Ysearch and from FTDNA projects (public data), then tried to match up FTDNA kit #s with Ysearch IDs, eliminating redundant and modal entries.   I came up with 604 confirmed R-L21* haplotypes.

There were a number of new L21* folks as well as a number of new 67 STR marker upgrades.   This is all great information.  I've heard more 67 marker upgrades are also coming in July.

RMS2's work with the R-L21* project and VTilroe's help and guidance were very helpful.  Thank you to both.

I've also tried to add the 464x results in from that project (for those who were R-L21* confirmed.)

This probably falls under the "looking for clusters" topic, but does anyone have anything, R-L21* haplotype-wise, they want me to look for?

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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2009, 02:21:07 PM »

L21* must be a very numerous paragroup.  I've downloaded all of the confirmed R-L21* I could find in Ysearch and from FTDNA projects (public data), then tried to match up FTDNA kit #s with Ysearch IDs, eliminating redundant and modal entries.   I came up with 604 confirmed R-L21* haplotypes.

There were a number of new L21* folks as well as a number of new 67 STR marker upgrades.   This is all great information.  I've heard more 67 marker upgrades are also coming in July.

RMS2's work with the R-L21* project and VTilroe's help and guidance were very helpful.  Thank you to both.

I've also tried to add the 464x results in from that project (for those who were R-L21* confirmed.)

This probably falls under the "looking for clusters" topic, but does anyone have anything, R-L21* haplotype-wise, they want me to look for?


Wow, I can't even imagine how long that took you--especially to sort the duplicates. THANKS for your hard work!!! The Wales DNA project has both new Deep Clade and new 67 marker results coming this month and in July. As always, I'll do my best to post any exciting news to the yahoogroups Wales DNA page.
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Dad: JAMES:  Ysearch QSCQ3;  R-P312, L21+ (R1b1b2a1b5*)
Dad: mitosearch QSCQ3; T1a; no matches HVR2 or FGS
Mom's brother: LEWTER: Ysearch FYFDA;  R-U106, L48+ (R1b1b2a1a*)
Mom's brother: mitosearch FYFDA, U5b2; 1 exac
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2009, 04:21:13 PM »

... then tried to match up FTDNA kit #s with Ysearch IDs, eliminating redundant and modal entries.  ....
Wow, I can't even imagine how long that took you--especially to sort the duplicates. ....
The hardest work there is done by RMS2 since he builds the Google maps and includes Ysearch ID's.    I did do a couple of sorts by haplotype (in put in each in a long text string) and double checked for exact matches by looking at the MDKA information.  In some cases it was obvious that the FTDNA # and Ysearch ID were the same person.
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2009, 03:20:32 PM »

... then tried to match up FTDNA kit #s with Ysearch IDs, eliminating redundant and modal entries.  ....
Wow, I can't even imagine how long that took you--especially to sort the duplicates. ....
The hardest work there is done by RMS2 since he builds the Google maps and includes Ysearch ID's.    I did do a couple of sorts by haplotype (in put in each in a long text string) and double checked for exact matches by looking at the MDKA information.  In some cases it was obvious that the FTDNA # and Ysearch ID were the same person.
Yes, hurray and many thanks to RMS2 as well!
After reading your post, I went into Y-search and added in the kit number, and what FTDNA projects my dad is in....plus his 464X results. Of couse, someone would have to go into the notes to see it, but it might make it easier for future researchers if they are trying to figure out duplicates.
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Dad: JAMES:  Ysearch QSCQ3;  R-P312, L21+ (R1b1b2a1b5*)
Dad: mitosearch QSCQ3; T1a; no matches HVR2 or FGS
Mom's brother: LEWTER: Ysearch FYFDA;  R-U106, L48+ (R1b1b2a1a*)
Mom's brother: mitosearch FYFDA, U5b2; 1 exac
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2009, 01:24:27 AM »

Add one: PXRQ3 (tested with Genebase) is L21+.  Looks very WAMH-ish, though.
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2009, 05:34:03 PM »

Add one: PXRQ3 (tested with Genebase) is L21+.  Looks very WAMH-ish, though.
Thanks, Vince.

Do you know what is going on with this Ysearch ID?  It shows up as R1b1b2a1b5* under the Davis name, but there is no haplotype.  At the same time a second line shows up under the name of Nixon but it is listed as R1b1b2*.

TAR4J - Davis - England
TAR4J - Nixon - 2w24, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2009, 08:26:42 PM »

I suspect that is a database indexing error.  "Nixon" TAR4J links to the "Davis" TAR4J entry, and the Davis entry has a blank haplotype.  I'd recommend contacting Darrin Marin @ FTDNA to check them out.
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2009, 04:44:16 PM »

I suspect that is a database indexing error.  "Nixon" TAR4J links to the "Davis" TAR4J entry, and the Davis entry has a blank haplotype.  I'd recommend contacting Darrin Marin @ FTDNA to check them out.
Don't understand what happened, but Davis is really RD8DX.  I think they fixed the error.
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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2009, 04:43:50 PM »

I've scrubbed through the Ysearch R-L21* and FTDNA R-L21+ project data and believe I now have it pretty clean as far as eliminating redundant haplotypes, artificial modals and matching Ysearch ID's to FTDNA kit #s.

I come up with 595 individuals.  329 have 67 markers tested, which is great progress.   This is very important as many of they differentiating markers are out in the panels from 38-67.
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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2009, 04:57:17 PM »

I've scrubbed through the Ysearch R-L21* and FTDNA R-L21+ project data and believe I now have it pretty clean as far as eliminating redundant haplotypes, artificial modals and matching Ysearch ID's to FTDNA kit #s.
I come up with 595 individuals.....
The following of the R-L21* confirmed folks are the ones I can't find a Ysearch ID for.   Does anyone know the Ysearch ID's for anyone below?
ft131060   Babson
ft27994   Boggs
ft133975   Delahoussaye
ft22874   Irvine
ft101798   Lewis
ft64047   Lurz
ft124651   Makepeace
ft149446   Mountain
ft132975   Purcell
ftN68249   Ryan
ft26883   Tupper
ft11211   Ua Donnchadha
ft59601   Wilson
ft82932   Wynne
ft130411   zzz unk
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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2009, 07:20:58 PM »

I've scrubbed through the Ysearch R-L21* and FTDNA R-L21+ project data and believe I now have it pretty clean as far as eliminating redundant haplotypes, artificial modals and matching Ysearch ID's to FTDNA kit #s.
I come up with 595 individuals.....
The following of the R-L21* confirmed folks are the ones I can't find a Ysearch ID for.   Does anyone know the Ysearch ID's for anyone below?
ft131060   Babson
ft27994   Boggs
ft133975   Delahoussaye
ft22874   Irvine
ft101798   Lewis
ft64047   Lurz
ft124651   Makepeace
ft149446   Mountain
ft132975   Purcell
ftN68249   Ryan
ft26883   Tupper
ft11211   Ua Donnchadha
ft59601   Wilson
ft82932   Wynne
ft130411   zzz unk


None of these people have created Ysearch accounts via FTDNA, however they could have done it manually.
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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2009, 08:29:01 PM »

I've scrubbed through the Ysearch R-L21* and FTDNA R-L21+ project data and believe I now have it pretty clean as far as eliminating redundant haplotypes, artificial modals and matching Ysearch ID's to FTDNA kit #s.
I come up with 595 individuals.....
The following of the R-L21* confirmed folks are the ones I can't find a Ysearch ID for.   Does anyone know the Ysearch ID's for anyone below?
ft131060   Babson
ft27994   Boggs
ft133975   Delahoussaye
ft22874   Irvine
ft101798   Lewis
ft64047   Lurz
ft124651   Makepeace
ft149446   Mountain
ft132975   Purcell
ftN68249   Ryan
ft26883   Tupper
ft11211   Ua Donnchadha
ft59601   Wilson
ft82932   Wynne
ft130411   zzz unk


Lurz has one. You will see it if you run a "Search by Haplogroup" for R1b1b2a1b5 and limit the region to Eastern Europe (you don't have to limit the search by region, of course, but it makes Lurz quicker to pick out).

Not sure about the rest. I always ask project members to create a YSearch entry, but not all of them do it. Some have privacy issues, some can't be bothered, and others are really novices with a computer.
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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2009, 10:02:02 PM »

FT22874, Irvine, is WKXXJ.   There are three L21* from the Irwin Clan of the Scottish Borders.  The other two are 33141 and 65048.   The others that match should also be L21*.   All three show up together on Vince Tilroe's SplitsTree4 graph.   

http://www.clanirwin.org/dnastudy.php
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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2009, 09:35:32 AM »

There are several L21* on the Breifne (now Cavan) Project who do not appear on other lists.   Most from Breifne appear to be M222 but a few are L21*.   A report is expected on that project in the coming weeks. 

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/BreifneClans/default.aspx?section=yresults


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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2009, 01:39:58 PM »

There are several L21* on the Breifne (now Cavan) Project who do not appear on other lists.   Most from Breifne appear to be M222 but a few are L21*.   A report is expected on that project in the coming weeks.  

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/BreifneClans/default.aspx?section=yresults

RMS2,
Here are the Kit #s in the Irish Beifne Clans project that are L21* but that I am not seeing in the R-L21Plus project.  I've added them to my spreadsheet but don't have MDKA information.

43736   Donohoe
43737   O'Donoghue
67651   Roark
133193   Roark
148651   McCabe
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2009, 12:26:10 AM »

Whew!  I'm counting up to 712 R-L21* in the R-L21Plus project and Ysearch now. I know I'm missing many, but we have a good group of people recruiting non-deep clade tested folks with similar haplotypes to do the testing.  We've also been pouring through surname projects.  I just added several (Mc)Gregor clan folks.
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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2009, 07:19:56 PM »

Whew!  I'm counting up to 712 R-L21* in the R-L21Plus project and Ysearch now. I know I'm missing many, but we have a good group of people recruiting non-deep clade tested folks with similar haplotypes to do the testing.  We've also been pouring through surname projects.  I just added several (Mc)Gregor clan folks.

I've noticed a couple others out there in various FTDNA projects.

Line 110, kit 149534, surname Camhi  from the Shephardic Project -
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sephardic_heritage/default.aspx?section=yresults

Line 60, kit 36836, surname Paden from the null DYS425 project.
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/null425/default.aspx?section=yresults

I"m now counting 730 folks that appear to R-L21*, 694 are confirmed L21* while 36 are either predicted or have Ysearch marked as R1b1b2a1b5* but I can't confirm that is entered correctly.

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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2009, 11:16:05 PM »

How should we consider a Ysearch entry with the haplogroup "R1b1b2a1b5*"?   I know that FTDNA tested results uploaded are marked "R1b1b2a1b5 (tested)".  I think the "R1b1b2a1b5*" are manually entered, but probably they are tested L21_ or why go through the trouble of updating it?   Should we consider these guys as "tested L21+"?

5636D   Moore, Elnathan b.1764   Virginia, USA
BFZW8   Eunson, Kenny   Deerness, Orkney Isles, Scotland
C4EQ8   Abernethy, Robert b.1633   Scotland
KJZ48   Roger, anderson b.1695   London, England
PQ2ZN   Mason, Ralph b.1665   Unknown
Q547S   Marney, Thomas b.1793   Illinois, USA
U93E6   Rice, george b.1775   Kilgarvan, Kerry, Ireland
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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2009, 11:28:53 PM »

I'm now up to 874 R-21* haplotypes found.  This is not counting redundant haplotypes (same MDKA or same Ht thru 67 markers) nor modal/artificial haplotypes.  Thanks to Vince T, we grabbed a few more off Ysearch.  M Jost keeps forwarding people as well, as well as of course RMS.   Someone sent me a whole bunch of R-L21* tested Clan Collas people.  The Clan Donald / MacDonald folks are also sending over some.

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