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« on: March 26, 2009, 10:09:00 PM »

Welcome to the Holden Family Project on behalf of World Families Network Feel free to post anything that pertains to Holden genealogy, Holden DNA research, or to a specific Holden family that is included in the project. All spelling variations are welcome. If your Surname spelling is missing, we'll be glad to add it.

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We strongly encourage you to add your family information (we call it "Pedigree") to the project’s Patriarch Page, so that others may find you.  To have your pedigree posted on the project’s Patriarch Page, there are two ways to submit your pedigree:

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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2014, 11:08:11 PM »

I am new to this Forum.  I have no match to my Y search 12 results in the Holden Surname project.  Is there a way to compare my results with the results of others who do not have Holden as a surname and do not appear to have a Holden ancestor?


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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2014, 02:44:05 PM »

Pat, a 12 marker test is totally inadequate for almost all comparisons.  It's useful to prove that someone isn't your cousin, to confirm that a solid paper trail identifying you as cousins is correct, and to store some one's DNA sample for future testing

You need at least 37 yDNA to compare with men you don't know if you want to search for your paternal line cousins

Have you reviewed all of "8 Things You Must Do If You're y-DNA Testing" at


ps  All that said, go into your FTDNA kit pages and click on your yDNA matches, set your comparisons to Entire Database and you'll see your 12 marker matches - which is usually overwhelmingly confusing and nearly useless
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2014, 01:51:48 AM »

I beg to differ on this topic...  most 12 marker matches will be sharing a common ancestor within 24 generations give or take.. with a (24gen 84.13% ) according to TIP
at FTDNA if this is adjusted to not sharing a common ancestor within 7 gens.

So the surnames that come up especially if multiple of the same do indeed give clues
as to who your line was mixing with, and or places they may have been and also to ancient ethnicity... be it Frenchy, Flemish,  Norman, German, Irish etc...

It is worth looking at the 12 marker matches.   We are of the surname of FLEMING..
and our multiple 12 marker matches are KENDALL (50 of them)
FLANDREAU  at 44 gen distance and many other Flemishy Frenchy names that must be clues to ancient origins/migration trail etc.   They are not close cousins but it is not a waste of time to be looking at those distant cousin matches.   In the big picture of DNA testing out of all the names that could come up those that do come up at 12 markers hold many clues even if not a 1 - 5th+ degree cousin.

 I have found looking at the 12 marker surnames ( though distant and related somehow in the big scheme of things) very very fascinating indeed... especially when a match with a surname that could go back to Freskyn The Fleming or Alaine de boles Lord of Swineherd or other interesting characters come up..multiple Douglas or surnames with obvious old county Flanders origins for us are all in the 12 marker matches.  Does not hurt to check out the 12 marker matches as your 12 marker matches are going to be similar but also different to others who do not have your exact dna signature.  They are going to be unique to who your family was mixing with 24+ gens back. Thomas Sherwood, b. 1586, Nottinghamshire, England is one of our 12 marker cousin matches... if that is not a clue to possible ancient origins and pre migration trail before my family came  to Australia I do not know what is.   I am not an expert but this is what I think about it all.
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