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« on: March 26, 2009, 07:59:16 PM »

Here it is: http://www.anrb.ru/molgen/Lobov_AS.PDF

My Russian is not up to scientific papers, but the paper is by Artyom Sergeivich Lobov and is entitled, Genetic Structure of the Bashkir Subpopulation.

Here is the basic R1b information it contains:

R1b1b2 in Bashkirs - total (N=471) - 35%
R1b1b1 - 13%

Perm Krai Bashkirs - 84% R1b1b2 (N=43)
Baymak District Bashkirs - 81% R1b1b2 (N=89)
Burzyan District - 33% R1b1b2 (N=80)
West of Orenburg Oblast - 23% R1b1b2 (N=43)
Saratov and Samara Oblasts - 18% R1b1b2 (N=50)
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2009, 09:23:04 PM »

Here it is: http://www.anrb.ru/molgen/Lobov_AS.PDF

My Russian is not up to scientific papers, but the paper is by Artyom Sergeivich Lobov and is entitled, Genetic Structure of the Bashkir Subpopulation.

Here is the basic R1b information it contains:

R1b1b2 in Bashkirs - total (N=471) - 35%
R1b1b1 - 13%

Perm Krai Bashkirs - 84% R1b1b2 (N=43)
Baymak District Bashkirs - 81% R1b1b2 (N=89)
Burzyan District - 33% R1b1b2 (N=80)
West of Orenburg Oblast - 23% R1b1b2 (N=43)
Saratov and Samara Oblasts - 18% R1b1b2 (N=50)
I guess there were a LOT of crusaders who got lost over there.
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2009, 10:27:58 AM »


I guess there were a LOT of crusaders who got lost over there.

Yeah . . . or something.

I wish they would test all of them for the full set of SNPs.
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2009, 04:36:20 AM »

This is very interesting. As probably not everybody can read Russian, I also add the R-M269 data from the inside text:
Tatars 8,7% (Turkic)
Chuvash 3,8% (Turkic)
Mari 2,7% (Finn-Volgan)
Udmurt 2,3% (Finn-Permian)
Komi 16% (Finn-Permian)
Mordvin 13,3% (Finn-Volgan)
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2009, 04:41:11 AM »

I wonder if they are P312+ or U106+
Logical would be P312- and U106-

I hope they will test it further down...
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2009, 08:02:39 AM »

This question just came to my mind on this issue:

Are there any P312- U106- R1b1b2 people in Britain and/or Ireland?
Or every tested member so far is P312+ or U106+?
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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2009, 10:36:58 AM »

This question just came to my mind on this issue:

Are there any P312- U106- R1b1b2 people in Britain and/or Ireland?
Or every tested member so far is P312+ or U106+?

There are a few R1b1b2 with British ancestry who are P312- and U106-, but none in Ireland that I know of. The numbers grow as one moves east.

Check out Vince Vizachero's HT35 Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?section=yresults.
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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2009, 01:16:22 PM »

This question just came to my mind on this issue:

Are there any P312- U106- R1b1b2 people in Britain and/or Ireland?
Or every tested member so far is P312+ or U106+?

There are a few R1b1b2 with British ancestry who are P312- and U106-, but none in Ireland that I know of. The numbers grow as one moves east.

Check out Vince Vizachero's HT53 Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?section=yresults.
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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2009, 01:49:40 PM »

This question just came to my mind on this issue:

Are there any P312- U106- R1b1b2 people in Britain and/or Ireland?
Or every tested member so far is P312+ or U106+?

There are a few R1b1b2 with British ancestry who are P312- and U106-, but none in Ireland that I know of. The numbers grow as one moves east.

Check out Vince Vizachero's HT53 Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?section=yresults.
aixelsyD skcus.

Got it.

That's been fixed in the original post, but I'll leave it here for posterity. It's not dyslexia, actually; it's haste . . . and typing with just two fingers.
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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2009, 03:00:14 AM »

Thanks for the map.
That confirms my suggestion that Bashkirs should belong to that group.
It's a pity that scientific papers do not go downstream of M269...
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