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« on: November 24, 2008, 11:14:40 PM »

I have a family (Warren) that has a 389-1 value of 9.  This is said to be quite rare and I am wondering if data are computerized to the extent that this could be used to flag related records that might otherwise be missed.  In my case the family name was Payne but ydna proved it to be Warren.  Subsequently, a Warren - Payne adultery case was found in early Spotsylvania County, Virginia, apparently explaining the dna.

My questions are: (1) How rare is a 389-1 value of 9?, and (2) is this rarity of any particular use in genealogy?  (3) are records computerized to the extent that tests with a 389-1 value of 9 could be identfied?
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2008, 07:11:28 PM »

I believe you have to consider both markers 389-1 and 389-b, together.

http://www.smgf.org/pages/dys389.jspx

"DYS389 is a special marker that has two different values at the same location.

The two values are designated "DYS389I" and "DYS389B". Typical values would be "DYS389I=13" and "DYS389B=16".

However, DYS389 is different from other markers in that the sum of the values for DYS389I and DYS389B is also designated "DYS389II"

For Example, if DYS389I=13 and DYS389B=16, then DYS389II=29."

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2006-07/1153776223

Here is an example.

"Two people may appear to differ at two locations:

13-29
14-30

but they are actually different at just one location, DYS389-1. DYS389B is 16 in both cases."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DYS_markers

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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2008, 07:25:38 PM »

9 at 389i does not show up on this chart at all

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dgarvey/DNA/hg/YCC_R1b.html

Y Haplogroup R1b

Common R1b allele frequencies
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2008, 07:18:55 PM »

for Nolen Adams:

Where can I find the chart to which you refer?

The 389-1 value of 9 shows up on one group of Payne results and a group of Warren results. 
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 07:24:32 PM »

Click on this link for allele frequencies.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dgarvey/DNA/hg/YCC_R1b.html
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2008, 07:27:54 PM »

further note re 389-1 value of 9:

In the FamilyTree Warren DNA Project the value of 9 appears in the Rappahannock Warrens.  In the Payne Project it appears in the first Paynes listed, descendants of Joseph and Phoebe Payne of Bedford County, Virginia. 

I'm sorry; I did find the link to the chart.  A case of responding before reading carefully.  It does look as if that value would be rare in that haplogroup.  However, it isn't based on single samples.

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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2008, 12:35:19 PM »

You might also click on the following for the new stats and histograms of he R1b project.


Charles Kerchner's R1b & Subclades YDNA Haplogroup Project   

 
http://www.kerchner.com/r1bproject/cssmarkerstats/charts.htm
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2008, 06:29:10 PM »

I have a family (Warren) that has a 389-1 value of 9.  This is said to be quite rare and I am wondering if data are computerized to the extent that this could be used to flag related records that might otherwise be missed.  In my case the family name was Payne but ydna proved it to be Warren.  Subsequently, a Warren - Payne adultery case was found in early Spotsylvania County, Virginia, apparently explaining the dna.

My questions are: (1) How rare is a 389-1 value of 9?, and (2) is this rarity of any particular use in genealogy?  (3) are records computerized to the extent that tests with a 389-1 value of 9 could be identfied?

Did you try your haplotype at ysearch? You can use a haplotype search with 10 of your first 12 markers leaving out 389-1 and 389-2.You may find a few matches.I think its great to have such a rare value and you will know that other people who have them must be related to you.I just wonder if FTDNA would consider that a onestep mutation instead of four. Did you know that Warren was used as a synonym of Murnane in Co.Kerry.
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2009, 03:14:26 PM »

I am still looking for names other than Payne and Warren that have 389-1=9.  Since the Payne dna was actually Warren, the only actual 389-1=9 I know of is from the Warrens of Rappahannock (Virginia).  Does anyone know of other results with 389-1=9?

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