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« Reply #500 on: July 14, 2011, 05:54:52 PM »

I noticed L96 does not appear on Gontaut's Haplotree page, and his "R1b1a2a1a1b4" does not have the "d" on its tail for L96+.

I wish FTDNA would update Haplotree pages with WTY SNP results.

But then they wouldn't be able to charge you for retesting your own SNP.

Gontaut now shows up as L96+ and R1b1a2a1a1b4d on the project pages.

I saw that and created an R-L96 category at the R-L21 Plus Project. Gontaut is its sole occupant thus far.
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« Reply #501 on: August 05, 2011, 06:37:15 PM »

A new R-L21 just joined the Normandy Y-DNA Project, a French citizen: Lefèvre, kit E13942 (no Ysearch yet). His ancestor came from Varaville, Calvados, Basse-Normandie (near Cabourg).

I didn't recruit this one. I had no idea he existed until his new member notification showed up in my email just a few minutes ago.

We have a lot of R-L21 in the Normandy Y-DNA Project.
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« Reply #502 on: September 13, 2011, 07:21:43 PM »

Bellieres, kit E5371, whom I think I mentioned some posts back, finally joined the R-L21 Plus Project today. His ancestor came from the area of Toulouse.
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« Reply #503 on: October 14, 2011, 08:24:02 PM »

There's a new Breton R-L21 this evening: Le Guennec, kit N98545, Ysearch 2GZGY. His mdka came from Kervignac in Morbihan.

I wonder if I should bother announcing these anymore. We know Bretagne is full of L21.

Well, I enjoy announcing the new ones anyway.
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« Reply #504 on: October 15, 2011, 08:45:27 AM »

There's a new Breton R-L21 this evening: Le Guennec, kit N98545, Ysearch 2GZGY. His mdka came from Kervignac in Morbihan.

I wonder if I should bother announcing these anymore. We know Bretagne is full of L21.

Well, I enjoy announcing the new ones anyway.

I enjoy seeing the new ones too, especially from France and other places on the Continent.
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« Reply #505 on: October 15, 2011, 09:33:07 AM »

I'll see if I can get this person to join the L21 project.  He came up L513+ so is L21+ by default. The family is Canadian but they hired a genealogist and they have a complete record back to the MDKA.

f85844____ Bergeron_________________ R-L21/L513_______________ 1113-B-2-W_____ UGKAE___ France, Poitou-Charentes, Charente-Maritime, La Rochelle
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« Reply #506 on: October 15, 2011, 06:39:24 PM »

I'll see if I can get this person to join the L21 project.  He came up L513+ so is L21+ by default. The family is Canadian but they hired a genealogist and they have a complete record back to the MDKA.

f85844____ Bergeron_________________ R-L21/L513_______________ 1113-B-2-W_____ UGKAE___ France, Poitou-Charentes, Charente-Maritime, La Rochelle

I recall seeing that name in the French Heritage Project. Reminded me of the host of America's Funniest Home Videos, Tom Bergeron. My youngest daughter (age 9 now) loves that show.
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« Reply #507 on: December 27, 2011, 09:00:42 AM »

We have yet another Breton R-L21: Laumenech, kit 147885, Ysearch JC8XA. He has 67 markers but only has 37 of them uploaded to Ysearch. At FTDNA he has no 67-marker matches. At 37 markers he has two matches, one French (3 away) and one German (4 away).

Curiously, he lists his most distant y-dna ancestor as having been born in Bretagne but gives the town of his birth as Le Trévoux, which is down near Lyon.

BTW, his closest French match is listed as having already tested L21+. I emailed him and asked him to join the project. It is very nice that FTDNA now lists the tested terminal SNP of your matches.
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« Reply #508 on: December 27, 2011, 03:44:09 PM »

We have yet another Breton R-L21: Laumenech, kit 147885, Ysearch JC8XA. He has 67 markers but only has 37 of them uploaded to Ysearch. At FTDNA he has no 67-marker matches. At 37 markers he has two matches, one French (3 away) and one German (4 away).

Curiously, he lists his most distant y-dna ancestor as having been born in Bretagne but gives the town of his birth as Le Trévoux, which is down near Lyon.

BTW, his closest French match is listed as having already tested L21+. I emailed him and asked him to join the project. It is very nice that FTDNA now lists the tested terminal SNP of your matches.

Probably, it's Le Trévoux in Finistère:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Le+Tr%C3%A9voux,+Finist%C3%A8re,+France&hl=fr&ie=UTF8&sll=45.926797,4.812698&sspn=0.131822,0.219383&vpsrc=0&hnear=Le+Tr%C3%A9voux,+Finist%C3%A8re,+Bretagne,+France&t=h&z=12
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« Reply #509 on: December 28, 2011, 09:17:09 AM »

We have yet another Breton R-L21: Laumenech, kit 147885, Ysearch JC8XA. He has 67 markers but only has 37 of them uploaded to Ysearch. At FTDNA he has no 67-marker matches. At 37 markers he has two matches, one French (3 away) and one German (4 away).

Curiously, he lists his most distant y-dna ancestor as having been born in Bretagne but gives the town of his birth as Le Trévoux, which is down near Lyon.

BTW, his closest French match is listed as having already tested L21+. I emailed him and asked him to join the project. It is very nice that FTDNA now lists the tested terminal SNP of your matches.

Probably, it's Le Trévoux in Finistère:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Le+Tr%C3%A9voux,+Finist%C3%A8re,+France&hl=fr&ie=UTF8&sll=45.926797,4.812698&sspn=0.131822,0.219383&vpsrc=0&hnear=Le+Tr%C3%A9voux,+Finist%C3%A8re,+Bretagne,+France&t=h&z=12

Thanks! I'm sure you must be right, but the coordinates on his myFTDNA pages indicate the southern Le Trévoux. It's probably a Google Maps mix up on his myFTDNA pages.
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« Reply #510 on: December 28, 2011, 06:58:19 PM »

I'll see if I can get this person to join the L21 project.  He came up L513+ so is L21+ by default. The family is Canadian but they hired a genealogist and they have a complete record back to the MDKA.

f85844____ Bergeron_________________ R-L21/L513_______________ 1113-B-2-W_____ UGKAE___ France, Poitou-Charentes, Charente-Maritime, La Rochelle
I recall seeing that name in the French Heritage Project. Reminded me of the host of America's Funniest Home Videos, Tom Bergeron. My youngest daughter (age 9 now) loves that show.

Bergeron did come back L705.2+ so he is pretty well validated to be in my cluster.
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« Reply #511 on: December 28, 2011, 08:02:12 PM »

I'll see if I can get this person to join the L21 project.  He came up L513+ so is L21+ by default. The family is Canadian but they hired a genealogist and they have a complete record back to the MDKA.

f85844____ Bergeron_________________ R-L21/L513_______________ 1113-B-2-W_____ UGKAE___ France, Poitou-Charentes, Charente-Maritime, La Rochelle
I recall seeing that name in the French Heritage Project. Reminded me of the host of America's Funniest Home Videos, Tom Bergeron. My youngest daughter (age 9 now) loves that show.

Bergeron did come back L705.2+ so he is pretty well validated to be in my cluster.

As far as I can tell, he never has joined the R-L21 Plus Project. Maybe you could ask him again?
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« Reply #512 on: February 25, 2012, 07:59:23 AM »

Two new French R-L21s overnight:

St. Jean (Ysearch 6QQ73), whose ancestor was born in Nantes, and Rioux, whose entry just says "France", so I don't know the particulars yet.

Rioux has no Ysearch entry yet.
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« Reply #513 on: February 25, 2012, 06:39:22 PM »

Two new French R-L21s overnight:

St. Jean (Ysearch 6QQ73), whose ancestor was born in Nantes, and Rioux, whose entry just says "France", so I don't know the particulars yet.

Rioux has no Ysearch entry yet.

Well the name seems to be a placename around Poitiers/La Rochelle area so broadly speaking it fits the general pattern of Atlantic France as of course does Nantes. 
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« Reply #514 on: February 25, 2012, 07:24:42 PM »

Two new French R-L21s overnight:

St. Jean (Ysearch 6QQ73), whose ancestor was born in Nantes, and Rioux, whose entry just says "France", so I don't know the particulars yet.

Rioux has no Ysearch entry yet.

Well the name seems to be a placename around Poitiers/La Rochelle area so broadly speaking it fits the general pattern of Atlantic France as of course does Nantes. 

There is a second, as yet un-SNP-tested Rioux in the French Heritage Project who matches our L21+ Rioux, but he doesn't list his mdka nor does he have a Ysearch entry.
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« Reply #515 on: February 26, 2012, 07:46:35 AM »

Rioux's ancestor came from Morlaix, in Finistère, Bretagne. Interestingly, we already had a member whose ancestor came from that same town.
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« Reply #516 on: May 31, 2012, 08:35:09 PM »

There's a new R-L21 in the French Heritage Project: Bertrand, kit 229499.

I can't find a Ysearch entry for him.

I'm trying to recruit him for the R-L21 Plus Project.

Here is a map that shows the distribution of the surname Bertrand in France between 1891 and 1915.

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« Reply #517 on: June 15, 2012, 11:08:10 PM »

A couple of days ago we got a new member of the R-L21 Plus Project: Lemoine, kit 224274, Ysearch 4SNCE. He has no matches in FTDNA at either 67 or 37 markers (typical for our French members).

What is interesting is that this member is actually a Belgian citizen, but he lists his ancestral homeland as France, so I have him in the France category. What makes this interesting is the distribution of his surname according to this French web site. Notice its highest frequency is right on the Belgian border.
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« Reply #518 on: June 15, 2012, 11:30:05 PM »

A couple of days ago we got a new member of the R-L21 Plus Project: Lemoine, kit 224274, Ysearch 4SNCE. He has no matches in FTDNA at either 67 or 37 markers (typical for our French members).

What is interesting is that this member is actually a Belgian citizen, but he lists his ancestral homeland as France, so I have him in the France category. What makes this interesting is the distribution of his surname according to this French web site. Notice its highest frequency is right on the Belgian border.


I had not checked Lemoine's Ysearch entry until just now. When I did, I discovered he actually lists Belgium as his ancestor's birthplace, so I have switched him into the Belgium category on the Y-DNA Results pages of the R-L21 Plus Project (our first entry into that category).
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« Reply #519 on: June 15, 2012, 11:42:56 PM »

A couple of days ago we got a new member of the R-L21 Plus Project: Lemoine, kit 224274, Ysearch 4SNCE. He has no matches in FTDNA at either 67 or 37 markers (typical for our French members).

What is interesting is that this member is actually a Belgian citizen, but he lists his ancestral homeland as France, so I have him in the France category. What makes this interesting is the distribution of his surname according to this French web site. Notice its highest frequency is right on the Belgian border.


I had not checked Lemoine's Ysearch entry until just now. When I did, I discovered he actually lists Belgium as his ancestor's birthplace, so I have switched him into the Belgium category on the Y-DNA Results pages of the R-L21 Plus Project (our first entry into that category).

Don't you love Ysearch? It has hidden treats!
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« Reply #520 on: June 16, 2012, 01:12:23 PM »

I really hope this doesnt start all that weird Irish L21 Belgae stuff that has been posted in the past.  I think that stems from a non-pro book on Irish royal sites written by a clergyman. 
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« Reply #521 on: June 16, 2012, 01:14:12 PM »

I really hope this doesnt start all that weird Irish L21 Belgae stuff that has been posted in the past.  I think that stems from a non-pro book on Irish royal sites written by a clergyman. 

Me too!

Anyway, Lemoine has no matches at all in FTDNA's database at 37 or 67 markers.
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« Reply #522 on: June 18, 2012, 10:38:05 AM »

A couple of days ago we got a new member of the R-L21 Plus Project: Lemoine, kit 224274, Ysearch 4SNCE. He has no matches in FTDNA at either 67 or 37 markers (typical for our French members).

What is interesting is that this member is actually a Belgian citizen, but he lists his ancestral homeland as France, so I have him in the France category. What makes this interesting is the distribution of his surname according to this French web site. Notice its highest frequency is right on the Belgian border.


I had not checked Lemoine's Ysearch entry until just now. When I did, I discovered he actually lists Belgium as his ancestor's birthplace, so I have switched him into the Belgium category on the Y-DNA Results pages of the R-L21 Plus Project (our first entry into that category).

Don't you love Ysearch? It has hidden treats!

I love conflicts in the MDKA reporting... NOT!  I'm a little behind, but I try to look up the Ysearch IDs for all of the P312+ (L21, U152, DF27, etc.) people and reconcile or depict as specifically as I can the geographic origins.
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« Reply #523 on: June 18, 2012, 07:28:20 PM »

I usually check the Ysearch entries of new continental members. For some reason, probably because I was busy, I didn't check that one right away. I just went by what he had on his myFTDNA pages. Ysearch supplied the missing details, which in this case were far more interesting and matched his national citizenship.
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« Reply #524 on: July 16, 2012, 01:32:18 PM »

What do you think of this guy as a potential L21? or possibly Z253?

192377 3R3SK Andre Marceau (Mercereau), b. France

He has 511=11 557=17 which is common with one type of Z253 people, but
does not match on DYS464 even though he has had a down mutation there. His GDs are up to the 18 and more range with Z253+ folks but there are no better fits for clusters for him (that I see) and if he really happened to be from a point of
origin then we'd expect wide GDs.

I don't see GDs with other L21 people up into the mid to high 40's at 67 which generally means there is a good chance he is L21+, at the least.
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