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« Reply #75 on: February 16, 2012, 01:46:13 AM »




 Steve runs the U152 project along side Richard Rocca and Tibor, http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-U152/default.aspx

  I am thankful for them and the effort they put into this research.
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R1b1a2a1a1b3 U152+ Z56+ Z144/Z145/Z146+ P312+ U106- M228.2- M160- M126- L4- L21- L2- L196- L176.2- DYS492=14 Roma, Italia.
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« Reply #76 on: February 16, 2012, 12:22:22 PM »

"Does Steve Gilbert have a web site?"

Hello Diana. That I know of, Steve publishes all his work on the FTDNA U152 Project website. You can access the docs by selecting "About this group" and then "Results".
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« Reply #77 on: June 03, 2012, 12:02:46 AM »

Thank you for allowing me to join.  I myself have just requested a DF13 test from YDNA.  I have my doubts that I am in that 90% but time will tell.  If I come back as negative for it and I am still R1b1a2a1a1b4*, what choices do I have?

DF63, DF23, DF49?   I am so confused. 

Is there a write up anywhere on what areas these subclades are from?

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« Reply #78 on: June 03, 2012, 08:15:06 AM »

Thank you for allowing me to join.  I myself have just requested a DF13 test from YDNA.  I have my doubts that I am in that 90% but time will tell.  If I come back as negative for it and I am still R1b1a2a1a1b4*, what choices do I have?

DF63, DF23, DF49?   I am so confused. 

Is there a write up anywhere on what areas these subclades are from?

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DF23 and DF49 are thought to be downstream of DF13, but we need some DF13 test results to know for sure.

DF63 is thought to be parallel to DF13, but thus far out of about 50 tests, no one has been DF63+.
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« Reply #79 on: July 03, 2012, 10:52:19 AM »

What does R1B1a2 lineage 1 mean, are the feuding Hatfields of Virginia in this group?I have traced my lineage back to George Hatfield born in Virginia in 1766.
I have not had my DNA tested. most of my ancesters settled in Lumpkin County, Georgia after migrating from Virginia. My great grandfather was william Hatfield born in Dahlonega, Geogia in 1847, and his father born in North Carolina.
Believe George Hatfield  is the father of Benjamin E. Hatfield born in Virginia in 1792.
I am just trying to see if my lineage is connected to the feuding Hatfields, William Anderson "Devil Anse" Hatfield.  Any help would be appreciated. Just haven't been able to spare the expense of having my DNA tested. Retired on fixed income.
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« Reply #80 on: July 04, 2012, 07:09:09 AM »

What does R1B1a2 lineage 1 mean, are the feuding Hatfields of Virginia in this group?I have traced my lineage back to George Hatfield born in Virginia in 1766.
I have not had my DNA tested. most of my ancesters settled in Lumpkin County, Georgia after migrating from Virginia. My great grandfather was william Hatfield born in Dahlonega, Geogia in 1847, and his father born in North Carolina.
Believe George Hatfield  is the father of Benjamin E. Hatfield born in Virginia in 1792.
I am just trying to see if my lineage is connected to the feuding Hatfields, William Anderson "Devil Anse" Hatfield.  Any help would be appreciated. Just haven't been able to spare the expense of having my DNA tested. Retired on fixed income.

There is a Hatfield DNA Project. Some of the Hatfield families are unrelated to each other.

R1b1a2 can mean different things. In general, it means European ancestry.
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« Reply #81 on: February 22, 2013, 02:49:43 PM »

So I'm positive for L1335.  What does that mean?  It doesn't seem to be on my haplotree.
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« Reply #82 on: February 22, 2013, 10:21:46 PM »

So I'm positive for L1335.  What does that mean?  It doesn't seem to be on my haplotree.

FTDNA's Haplotree is out of date and currently being revised. A much more current phylogenetic R tree can be found here:

http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR.html

To find L1335 quickly, just hold the Control (Ctrl) key down and type the letter f. A small "Find" box will appear in the lower left corner of your screen. Type L1335 in the box and click on "Next". L1335 will appear highlighted. (Actually, you probably won't even have to click on "Next". L1335 will pop up highlighted as soon as you finish typing it in the Find box.)

L1335 is a pretty recently discovered SNP. Most of those who are L1335+ belong to the Scots Modal Cluster, but there is another cluster whose members are mostly from Wales who are also L1335+
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« Reply #83 on: August 28, 2013, 05:25:16 PM »

My deep clade test results are:  R1b1a2a1a1b3   I have a relatively good understanding of the ydna testing, but not the haplogroup.  Will someone please point me in the right direction?  My ydna testing has not taken me back beyond North Carolina 1749.  Thanks for any help.

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« Reply #84 on: August 31, 2013, 05:12:21 PM »

My deep clade test results are:  R1b1a2a1a1b3   I have a relatively good understanding of the ydna testing, but not the haplogroup.  Will someone please point me in the right direction?  My ydna testing has not taken me back beyond North Carolina 1749.  Thanks for any help.

Surname: Byars

You should join the R-U152 Project:

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-U152/
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« Reply #85 on: January 05, 2015, 10:58:01 AM »

Hello everybody !

I made DNA tests but I'm newbie and I do not know how to determine subgroup... I'm from haplogroup R1b =

MANY THANKS to anyone who can help me...!

DYS456=16
DYS389 I=13
DYS390 = 24
DYS389 II = 30
DYS458 = 16
DYS19 = 15
DYS385 a/b = 11   14
DYS393= 13
DYS391 = 11
DYS439 = 11
DYS635 = 23
DYS392 = 13
Y GATA H4 = 11
DYS437 = 14
DYS438 = 12
DYS448 = 19
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« Reply #86 on: January 05, 2015, 01:47:46 PM »

Hello everybody !

I made DNA tests but I'm newbie and I do not know how to determine subgroup... I'm from haplogroup R1b =

MANY THANKS to anyone who can help me...!

DYS456=16
DYS389 I=13
DYS390 = 24
DYS389 II = 30
DYS458 = 16
DYS19 = 15
DYS385 a/b = 11   14
DYS393= 13
DYS391 = 11
DYS439 = 11
DYS635 = 23
DYS392 = 13
Y GATA H4 = 11
DYS437 = 14
DYS438 = 12
DYS448 = 19

Hi Asty, unfortunately from these values it is impossible to understand which subclade it belongs. We may presuppose that it is an R-M269 subclade, under R-L11. You should test some SNPs, but to test one single SNP step by step risks to be more expensive and not resolutive. There are many deep SNP test from Big Y to Y Prime Y Elite or the Full Genome. It depends how much someone may spend. Geno 2.0 or Chromo2 (only Y raw data) cost less and may give a first classification, but only the other tests are pretty resolutive about your descent.
P.S. These 17 markers are tested from the researchers and not from the private companies, how do you know them if they are on blind?
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« Reply #87 on: January 05, 2015, 05:52:51 PM »

Thank you for the answer... I understood that these datas are useless... and that I need to do more tests.. that s a pity
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« Reply #88 on: January 05, 2015, 11:09:52 PM »

Thank you for the answer... I understood that these datas are useless... and that I need to do more tests.. that s a pity

Not useless, because they say already much: hg. R1b1a2, very likely under R-L11, but not enough for saying more, I think, even though some values are out of the modal: DYS19=15 and not 14, low values in DYS456 and DYS458, DYS437=14 and not 15. As to the method of testing, also H4 could be 10 and not 11, but all these values I think cannot say anything more about the subclade. Now we know that the STRs, without a SNP test, even though there is a close match, may be deceitful.
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« Reply #89 on: January 06, 2015, 12:23:58 AM »

There is on SMGF a Kibby with values close to yours. I extracted him and put him on Ysearch. He is close to others who are R-U106, and this could be also your subclade. You could test a SNP, U106. If you haven't an account on FTDNA, you could test it on Yseq, otherwise to test more markers c/o FTDNA. If your DYS492 were 13, you would belong pretty certainly to this haplogroup. Of course a deep SNP test could say much more about your origin.

XWWHNKibby   New York, USA    
13   24   15   11   11   14   12   12   11   13   13   29   16   9   10   11   11   25   14   19   29   15   16   16   17   11   10   19   22   16                       12   12       13   11   14   23   10   13   12   12   13   29   24                                                               

CSHWV   McLaughlin Leitrim, Leitrim, Ireland    
13   24   15   11   12   14   12   12   12   13   12   29   16   9   10   11   11   25   14   19   29   15   15   16   17   11   11   19   21   16   15   17   17   38   38   12   12   12   13   11   13   23   10   13   12   12   13   29   24   11   9   15   16   8   10   10   8   10   10   23   23   16   10   12   12   15   8   23   20   12   11   13   11   11   13   12   9   11   15   9   16   12   10   12   13   11   10   12   12   11   10   26   26   18   12   
MCX5F   Tonkins   Camborne, England    
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UA8VC   Minear   Ernsbach, Germany    
13   24   14   11   11   14   12   12   12   13   13   29   15   9   10   11   11   25   14   19   29   15   15   16   17   11   11   19   21   16   15   16   17   36   37   12   12   12   13   11   15   23   10   13   12   12   13   29   24   11   9   15   16   8   10   10   8   10   10   23   23   16   10   12   12   16   8   22   20   12   11   13   11   11   13   11   9   11   15   9   16   12   10   12   13   11   10   12   11   11   10   27   26   18   12   

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« Reply #90 on: January 06, 2015, 02:10:06 AM »

Thank you both

Etymology of my family name leads to a germanic name coming in north west of France. My genealogy fits with it with ancestors in Normandy (France), that s why I supposed that one of my ancestor came from Germany (or viking ?) to Normandy at least around 11-12th century.
I will make more tests if it is not too expansive for me.
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« Reply #91 on: January 06, 2015, 10:10:12 AM »

Thank you both

Etymology of my family name leads to a germanic name coming in north west of France. My genealogy fits with it with ancestors in Normandy (France), that s why I supposed that one of my ancestor came from Germany (or viking ?) to Normandy at least around 11-12th century.
I will make more tests if it is not too expansive for me.
A German origin of your family makes more likable to belong to hg. R-U106. Perhaps you could interest the R-U106 thread below and wing_genealogist...
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