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Miles Hispaniae
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« on: April 28, 2008, 01:17:09 PM »

The Royal O’Neill’s of Tyrone are a clan based on secrecy and a history of violence. No different than any dynasty in the world. Many people like to romanticize kings and queens the reality is that power and all that war brings is the base of all kings in medieval Ireland.
The book by Sean O’Fallon “ The Great O’Neill” perfectly describes the world of the O’Neill’s and most Irish clans.

There is a long tradition of military service of the Royal O’Neill’s to the present day. The O'Neill’s of the Fews by far have produced the most O'Neill’s to serve in the military.


It‘s well documented that the royal O’Neill’s immigrated to the Spanish Netherlands (modern day Belgium), Austria, Spain, Portugal, Latin America and the Caribbean. Nations of the Catholic faith that gave the O’Neill’s the safety and the opportunity to obtain wealth and prestige. So it is very unlike likely but not impossible for any Royal O’Neill to be found among the population of Ireland, the United States or Australia. The Royal O’Neill clans were out of Ireland 200 years well before the potato famine of the 1800’s. The Counts of Tyrone had lived for over 200 years since the 1670’s on the Island of Martinique in the Caribbean. A fact that seems to be ignored by many Irish American O’Neill’s and Native Irish O’Neill’s who look for a tie or kinship with the Royal O’Neill Clans. Outside myself, I have yet to see any effort by any expert on the O’Neill’s for the search for any O’Neill descendants in the island of Martinique and surrounding islands. A possible obtaining a y-dna sample. All efforts seem and are focused on the O’Neill population of the United States and other once English ruled lands. When a strong effort should be made to find the descendants of the O’Neill’s who fought in the regiments of their respected nations.

Recent and current y-dna studies on the O’Neill’s of Tyrone and the Irish  have been done without the complete and true facts about the Irish population. How can a study be made?  Without the y-dna samples of the Irish slaves sold into slavery by the English to the Caribbean.

1.   After the battle of Kinsale 30,000 military prisoners who were  sold to the English plantations in the Caribbean.
2.   By 1637 the island of Montserrat in the West Indies the population was 69% Irish slaves.
3.   In 1650 25,000 Irish slaves were sold to planters in St.Kitts.
4.   Over 100,000 children and women were sold to English planters in the West Indies and to the United States particularly New England and Virginia.
5.   12,000 Irish prisoners were sold to English planters in the Isalnd of Barbados.
6.   82, 000 in total Irish were sold and transported has slaves to Barbados and the state of Virginia.

How can a Y-DNA study be even taken into account after the ethnic cleansing of Cromwell?



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