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« on: March 26, 2008, 12:17:43 AM »

I am new to  this and have not seen many of the U5b2 haplogroup. Does anyone have any information on this specific group?
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U5b2 traces to VA


« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2008, 01:52:35 PM »

I'm also U5b2 and am very interested in it's origins.  My farthest back direct maternal ancestor was born in 1770 likely in SW VA or NW NC.   I have seen that there are some U5b2 from Sardinia.  Where do you trace your line to?  I have found only 1 match on my HVR-I & none with HVR-II included.
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2008, 06:10:17 PM »

Hi,

New to this forum.

I recently got the results of my FGS, and am also U5b2.

My oldest known U5b2 is in my 10th generation back.  She is my Great great great great great great great Grandmother.  Her maiden name is Karin ERIKSDOTTER and she was born in the Karleby area of Finland in 1664; she died on 11 Apr 1736.  Her married name was Karen Eriksdotter MÅSALA.

I think the "origins" of U5b2 are around eastern Turkey.  I think the people that came to the USA in the 1600's brought some with them.  Many Finns and Swedes came in 1638 and after to the New Sweden Colony along the Delaware.  Finland has a rather high amount of U5b2, particularly the variety that has my mutations.

My mito-search id is QM78H.  Check it out, so far the only people that I know that have my mutations are coming from Finland and Ireland.
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I1*-AS, Kittler = DYS385a/b = 14/13 Hi/Lo [AS modality]. M170+ M253+ M258+ M307+ P19+ P30+ P38+ M161- M21- M223- M227- M26- M72- P109- P259- P37.2- Find me at 23andMe; I'm L22- [rs34626372 A] "ancestral". 
U5b2 with FGS and GenBank published, with an exact FGS match.
100% Ethnic Finn 500+ years.
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2008, 08:37:50 PM »

It's been quite awhile since I last visited this forum. I hardly recognize it. I don't know what happened to my contribution in the form of a lengthy tale of what I think is my maternal (U5b2) family line. I've forgotten much of it, off hand. I don't have complete paper evidence of that trail, so I had to do some logical guessing. But if I can't do it, then it is lost, since no one else is left.

I traced my line back to Colonial times - probably started out in colonial Virginia, and later to the Carolinas, Kentucky, Indiana, ending up in Wisconsin after the Civil War. My earliest apparently known female ancestor was Charity (last name unknown), born c.1760 in Anson County, NC. At that time, Anson County was much larger than today, and so I usually hyphenate it to Anson-Richmond to reflect more probable accuracy. From what little I can find out, she was more likely born and raised in what is now Richmond County. See my write-up on the "North Carolina Early" Project that you can get to from the FTDNA website. Then click on "News."

U5b2 looks to be a fading relict, as far as a haplogroup goes. It possibly traces back to Upper paleolithic Western Europe during the Ice Age. note: Since I wrote the preceding 2 sentences, quite a few people have turned up being U5b2. It's just a matter of having your FGS done.

PDHOTLEN, U5b2 (11653G sub-clade).
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U5b2/U5b2b2 (traces to colonial USA European) & R1a1a1 L664+ (Norwegian descent); X chromosome (not tested) = half Austrian and half Colonial USA. FTDNA kit #54319. Genebank EF419891. MitoSearch/Y-Search #G986T.

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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2009, 05:10:35 AM »

I'm also U5b2 and am very interested in it's origins.  My farthest back direct maternal ancestor was born in 1770 likely in SW VA or NW NC.   I have seen that there are some U5b2 from Sardinia.  Where do you trace your line to?  I have found only 1 match on my HVR-I & none with HVR-II included.

I've validated my direct maternal line to Harriet Harris born in 1835 in Illinois. I have not been able to verify her mother - Catherine Kennedy born in 1815 in Tennessee. My grandmother always claimed Scotch/Dutch/Irish roots. I too only have found 1 match to my HVR-II and NOT my HVR-I.

Jillette, u5b2 -  Guam>Missouri>Illinois>Tennessee 
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2009, 05:20:27 AM »

Hi,

New to this forum.

I recently got the results of my FGS, and am also U5b2.

My oldest known U5b2 is in my 10th generation back.  She is my Great great great great great great great Grandmother.  Her maiden name is Karin ERIKSDOTTER and she was born in the Karleby area of Finland in 1664; she died on 11 Apr 1736.  Her married name was Karen Eriksdotter MÅSALA.

I think the "origins" of U5b2 are around eastern Turkey.  I think the people that came to the USA in the 1600's brought some with them.  Many Finns and Swedes came in 1638 and after to the New Sweden Colony along the Delaware.  Finland has a rather high amount of U5b2, particularly the variety that has my mutations.

My mito-search id is QM78H.  Check it out, so far the only people that I know that have my mutations are coming from Finland and Ireland.


Thanks for the info! I have a few more clues to go on.
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2009, 10:18:24 AM »

Hello,

I would like to emphazise here on the impact of FGS  (Full Genomic Sequencing)  in the field of mtDNA. My daughter's mtDNA had been said  U* by FTDNA on the basis of  HVR1 only  ( 16304C + 16519C) . After FGS it appears to be U5b2  with  HVR2 = 64T , 73G , 150T , 263G , 315.1C   ; and more precisely of the U5b2a subclade, following the recent U Phylotree by Ron Scott :
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncscotts/mtDNA/GenBank%20Mutation%20Lists/PhyloTree/hg_U_tree_Build_3.htm
You can shorten this link to "mtDNA" to get to more ressources about U haplogroup.

We are from France and , unfortunately, this branch isn't very well known but it should be from the center of France. So, let's see it from the opposite point of view : I hope that in a near future it will be possible to get close matches on the basis of FGS (when a match +/- 1 to all our SNPs ?) and deduce from there the most probable origin.
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2009, 09:13:03 PM »

I recently had my FGS completed by FTDNA and then a comprehensive analysis by Dr Ann Turner.

Prior to my FGS results, FTDNA stated my haplogroup was U* based on HVR1 and HVR2. FTDNA changed my designation to U5b2 following the FGS.

FTDNA also informs me I have one FGS match, a man I've corresponded to via e-mail. We do not know where the connection is but his earliest known female ancestor was in Humphries and Houston Counties TN, born in TN 13 Jul 1846. There's a marriage record of whom I believe is my earliest known female ancestor in Rutherford County TN, her husband is listed in the 1790 census of that county and she was the head of the household in 1840. Her grand daughter is my great great grandmother, born 11 March 1829 (presumably in Rutherford County NC).

Dr. Turner's e-mail and analysis contained the following comments:

As you can tell from the file name, I have called you U5b2a1a, a very recent haplogroup designation.

Your sequence does not present any hints of medical disorders, and you may feel free to share it, ...

Also, you can submit your sequence to GenBank and remain completely anonymous. Ian Logan http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/Submission.htm can assist you with that process. The phylogenetic tree may need to be redrawn as more complete mtDNA sequences become available, and your results could play a role in that.

It's quite interesting to see that you have a match, given the number of private and novel mutations you share. You definitely have a common ancestor, but it's not possible to put a time frame on it, except to say that it would be much more recent than the clan mother U5b2a1a.

... you have a suite of four mutations (two of them completely novel) that have not been observed in haplogroup U5b.
 
A stand-alone graphics file is attached to your report, which may be easier to read. It shows a number of  lineages with multiple mutations, indicating that the U5b2a1a founder probably lived thousands of years ago.

The geographic locations of your U5b2a1a cousins are from Spain and Italy (citation 64), USA (citation 4), Netherlands (citation 41), Germany (citation 31), and Finland (citations 9 and 60). Befitting its age, this haplogroup appears to be widespread within Europe. (The Finland samples are not the typical Saami, who fall into another haplogroup, U5b1).

Thank you for the opportunity to review this interesting case! It is always fascinating to see how some sequences have remained stable for thousands of years, while other sequences present mutations never observed before.

Ann Turner


If you obtain a FGS, I'd recommend Dr. Turner's services as her report is quite detailed with graphs and charts. She also quotes her sources.

And the quest continues...
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Y-DNA R-M222+
DYS 385a/b(K) 13-11
DYF 371X 10c-12t-14c
DYF 385 11
DYF 397 12-14-14
DYF 399X 25c-26.1t
DYF 401 16
DYF 408 188-8-15
DYF 411 11-11
DYS 413 21-23
DYS 464X 16g-17c
DYS 724 39
DYS 725 31-32

mtDNA U5b2
HVR1 16184T 16213A 16286T
HVR2 073G 150T 263G 315.1C
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2009, 04:59:04 AM »

I recently had my FGS completed by FTDNA and then a comprehensive analysis by Dr Ann Turner.

Prior to my FGS results, FTDNA stated my haplogroup was U* based on HVR1 and HVR2. FTDNA changed my designation to U5b2 following the FGS.

FTDNA also informs me I have one FGS match, a man I've corresponded to via e-mail. We do not know where the connection is but his earliest known female ancestor was in Humphries and Houston Counties TN, born in TN 13 Jul 1846. There's a marriage record of whom I believe is my earliest known female ancestor in Rutherford County TN, her husband is listed in the 1790 census of that county and she was the head of the household in 1840. Her grand daughter is my great great grandmother, born 11 March 1829 (presumably in Rutherford County NC).

Dr. Turner's e-mail and analysis contained the following comments:

As you can tell from the file name, I have called you U5b2a1a, a very recent haplogroup designation.

Your sequence does not present any hints of medical disorders, and you may feel free to share it, ...

Also, you can submit your sequence to GenBank and remain completely anonymous. Ian Logan http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/Submission.htm can assist you with that process. The phylogenetic tree may need to be redrawn as more complete mtDNA sequences become available, and your results could play a role in that.

It's quite interesting to see that you have a match, given the number of private and novel mutations you share. You definitely have a common ancestor, but it's not possible to put a time frame on it, except to say that it would be much more recent than the clan mother U5b2a1a.

... you have a suite of four mutations (two of them completely novel) that have not been observed in haplogroup U5b.
 
A stand-alone graphics file is attached to your report, which may be easier to read. It shows a number of  lineages with multiple mutations, indicating that the U5b2a1a founder probably lived thousands of years ago.

The geographic locations of your U5b2a1a cousins are from Spain and Italy (citation 64), USA (citation 4), Netherlands (citation 41), Germany (citation 31), and Finland (citations 9 and 60). Befitting its age, this haplogroup appears to be widespread within Europe. (The Finland samples are not the typical Saami, who fall into another haplogroup, U5b1).

Thank you for the opportunity to review this interesting case! It is always fascinating to see how some sequences have remained stable for thousands of years, while other sequences present mutations never observed before.

Ann Turner


If you obtain a FGS, I'd recommend Dr. Turner's services as her report is quite detailed with graphs and charts. She also quotes her sources.

And the quest continues...


Hello Jr9162 , please could you froward to me information on Comprehensive Analysis with
Dr.A.Turner  ,  lt would help me understand  maybe my ancestoral roots on my Father's side
who died WW2 and l believe was an American Serviceman..l  have limited information on him and my Mother died young, my ancestral Roots on my mother's side are mainly Anglo Saxon.l have not had my DNA test done  with Family Tree DNA but with deCodeme  MtDNA.
l would like to have the comprehensive Analysis done but didn't know how to go about doing it etc.Thankyou for your article it was very heplful.Snowflake123
































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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2009, 02:22:28 AM »

Snowflake123,
I sent you an e-mail with Dr Turner's e-mail address. I think her analysis is only conducted on a mtDNA full genome scan (mine was from FTDNA). I understand 23andMe does not fully sequence one's mtDNA so she will have to tell you what service she can provide you with.

Be advised mtDNA will not give you any information on your father. You recieve these genes directly from your mother, her mother (maternal grandmother), her mother (maternal great grandmother), and so forth.

Dr Turner may be able to give you some information on your father's Y-DNA, his haplogroup and such.

Good fortune with your quest!
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Y-DNA R-M222+
DYS 385a/b(K) 13-11
DYF 371X 10c-12t-14c
DYF 385 11
DYF 397 12-14-14
DYF 399X 25c-26.1t
DYF 401 16
DYF 408 188-8-15
DYF 411 11-11
DYS 413 21-23
DYS 464X 16g-17c
DYS 724 39
DYS 725 31-32

mtDNA U5b2
HVR1 16184T 16213A 16286T
HVR2 073G 150T 263G 315.1C
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2009, 05:29:55 PM »

Thankyou  for your information and help.l will probably do the FTDNA..deCodeme do-not do the full sequence ..l shall start saving for the test! Best Wishes Snowflake123
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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2012, 12:41:44 PM »

Hello All,
I'm U5b2, & my mtDNA line goes from England back to Scotland. My Scottish mtDNA ancestor was born in Haddington, East Lothian in 1806.
My matches are few, but Scottish & irish.
Cheers,
Bob
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Y-DNA: R1b1b2a1b P312+ Z245- Z2247- Z2245- Z196-  U152-  U106-  P66-  M65-  M37-  M222-  M153-  L459-  L21-  L176.2-  DF27-  DF19- L624+ (S389+)
mtDNA: U5b2b3
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