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« on: March 26, 2008, 12:44:26 PM »

N5S2G McSHANE / O'NEILL HAPLOTYPE Unknown 

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Now how much influence did the Fitzgerald's had among the MacShane's has yet to be discovered.

 1.   John Fitzgerald, the Earl of Desmond, had a younger son named Gerald Fitzgerald, Lord of the Decies. Gerald (Gearoid) Fitzgerald took the surname MacShane because of his father John (Gaelic Seain).  Sir. Gerald Fitzgerald now Sir Gerald MacShane was a powerful lord in Ireland and spoke no English.
2.   Sir Gearoid Fitzgerald became the 8th Earl of Kildare and Lord Deputy and Lord Justice of Ireland he ruled for 33 years.
3.   In 1504 Sir Gearoid Fitzgerald obtained complete victory of the Irish Chiefs in Connaught.
Conn ‘Baccach’ O’Neill  1480 - 1559, 1st earl of Tyrone, was the grandson of Thomas Fitzgerald, 7th Earl of Tyrone, through his mothers Lady Elinor Fitzgerald wife of Con mor O’Neill.
4.   Hugh “McShane” O’Neill was the last recognized, Lord of Killetragh and inaugurated Chief of the McShane for the 16th and 17th Century. He was a great-grandson of Conn ‘Baccach’ O’Neill, King then Earl of Tir Eoghan. His grandfather had been the eldest son of Conn Baccach , until his early death in 1542 at the hands of a McDonnell galloglach in a raid along the Bann River. Had he lived, Shane the Proud and Mathew of Dungannon may never have come to prominence.





1. The O'Neill's take their surname from Njall Glundubh (Born 850 A.D. Norway) or Niall Glundudh not Niall of the Nine hostages.

2. Dubh " Dark" , Norse of origin Dublin : " the black pool"
3. Domhnall , " Dark or Brown"
4. Lochlainn , " Land of the Vikings" , countless reference to the Lochlainn in ancient Irish text referring to origins in Norway.
5. Murchadh, " Sea warrior" Name of several Vikings and Warriors.
6. Muireadhach ," Lord, master or sea lord"
7. Donnchadh, " Dark skinned warrior"
8. Dughall , " Dark stranger" this is said to have been a byname applied to the Danes.
9. Conaig not of Celtic origins. The Anglo - Saxon word Cyning maning "King"
 
a. Dutch "Koning", German" Koning", Icelandic " Konungur or Kongur", Norwegian " Konge". Possibly origins for the Irish name Conn. ( Son of Niall Glundubh of the Cenel nEogain was named Conaig).

The word Tuatha & the Tu•a•tha Dé Da•nann

Ancient Gael concept of the word Tuath really meant 'people' and from this the root word emerged ' Deutsch'.
Tu•a•tha Dé Da•nann In Irish Myth. A race of gods or demigods who defeated the Fomorians and ruled Ireland during a golden age until they were defeated by the Milesians. There is the accounts of Rameses III who fought the marauding peoples, including the Danauna and Pulesti that attacked Egypt in about 1200 B.C.
Diodorus of Sicily c. 50 B.C. describes a man named Danaus who settled in Argos, and that Athens was colonised from Egypt. The word Dan appears on many names of the Greeks.

Danaus, Danae, Danaans and Danaids.

The Irish myths Tuatha de Danaan.
Tuatha de Danann, "the people of Danann," from pl. of tuath & Danann, mother of the gods.
Teutonic "of or pertaining to the Germanic languages and to peoples or tribes who speak or spoke them," from L. Teutonicus, from Teutones, name of a tribe that inhabited coastal Germany.
Teuta, word for "people" Lith. tauto, Osc. touto, O.Ir. tuath, Goth. þiuda, O.E. þeod.
Duutsch, from. duit-isc, þeodisc "belonging to the people," common language of Germanic people, from þeod "people, race, from teuta- "people" cf. O.Ir. tuoth "people," O.Lith. tauta "people," O.Prus. tauto "country," Oscan touto

The Scandinavian Influences among the Ui Neill

 Marriages among the Gael clans and Norse occured more than often especially in the Hebrides Isles. In the middle of the 9th century Muirgel, the daughter of Maelsechlainn I of the Ui Neill married the Norse Larnkne. Amhloabh, son of the king of Norway, married the daughter of Aed MacNeill. There are old stories of Irish Chieftains who were levying tribute on the Shetlands, the Orkneys and the Faroes. Sigtrygg's elder brother and predecessor as king of Dublin, Gluniarainn, his half brother and brother in law was Maelsechnaill mac Domnall. 1098 A.D. Norwegian King ,Magnus Barelegs . He had conquered the Hebrides and the Isle of Man. He married Muirchertach's daughter when he was killed in Ulster inthe year 1103 he sent her back to her father. He left a son King Harold Gille, who was born in Ireland or the Hebrides Isles.


The salmon of wisdom is often associated with the legend of Finn.

 The symbol of the salmon is represented on the coat of arms and battle standards of these Irish and Scottish clans.

O'Neill's of Clannaboy, O'Donnelly's, MacKeown's, Machlachlan's. MacLean's of Duart, MacDonald's, McNeill’s of Gigha, MacLoughlin, Campbell's of Inverane, MacIntyre of Glenno & Delaney’s.

There is the Irish and Scottish legend of Finn and how he acquired the gift of prophecy from the salmon of wisdom.
Finn (Fionn mac Cumhaill) was cooking the magic salmon, for the one eye sun god Goll. Finn scalded his thumb by touching the salmon. When he put his thumb in his mouth, he acquired the wisdom of prophecy. Learning that Goll was his enemy he slays him with his own sword. Another story is Finn is the apprentice of the Druid Finneigeas, who has captured the salmon of wisdom and leaves Fionn to tend the fire as the fish cooks. When Fionn while roasting the salmon he burns his thumb. Sucking on the burnt thumb he steals the Druid's prize- the salmon's wisdom is acquired by Finn.

This story is close in resemblance to the Norse tale of the hero Sigurd.

Regin , the master-smith and tutor of Sigurd, reforged Odin's sword, Gram, for him. With the sword Sigurd slew the dragon Fafnir, brother of Regin. Sigurd begins to roast the dragon's heart for in order that Regin may eat it. Regin counted on cheating Sigurd. Since Sigurd did not know that who ever ate the heart of the dragon would have mastery over other men. While roasting the heart of the dragon Fafnir, Sigurd touched the heart and burnt his finger so severely that he thrust them into his mouth, tasting some of the dragon's blood. Immediately he was surprised to understand the language of the birds. He was told of Regin's treachery and slew him.

1. Regin is Sigurd's tutor, just as in the Irish versions the owner of the salmon is Finn's tutor.
2. In the Norse form, the dragon's heart takes the place of the Irish salmon.
These tales must have arrived in Ireland in ancient times a possible ancient Germanic or Scandinavian migration.


The Red hand always has been the symbol of the O'Neill's of Ulster not to be confused with the Ui Neill. The Red hand has been borne on the battle standards of the O'Neill's of Ulster . The battle cry of the O'Neill's of Ulster is Lamh dearg an Uachtar ' the Red hand uppermost' and also Lamh dearg Aboo ' the Red hand forever' . This was always a exclusive symbol of the O'Neill's of Ulster.

Legend has it that Heremon, son of Milesius , severed his right hand to obtain the lands of Ulster.  Irish monk creation to eliminate the memory of the pagan gods of the Irish.
 
The resemblence among the Scandinavian and Germanic god Tyr and the god Nuadu, chief of the Tuatha De Dannan, who lost his hand in battle and it was replaced by a silver one so he could reign once again. Nuadu was also the one handed god of the sun. Tyr, the one handed Germanic god of battle and patron of the sword was also called 'the shining one'.

 Tyr, was the symbol of concealment and the magic cup of invisibility, but also the rebirth of the sun god in Norse mythology.

“There is a god called Tyr. He is the boldest and most courageous, and has power over victory in battle; it is good for brave men to call upon him" - Magic of the Scandinavians.

Among the Anglo - Saxons, Tyr is referred as a star that " Keeps it's faith well with King’s, Princes, and Nobel’s, always in course through the dark of night, it never fails" The sailor's guiding star called “God’s Nail".

The Celtic Nuadu had a son named Labraid Lamhdhearg ' Labraid of the Red hand'.

Labraid Lamhdhearg in ancient Irish myths is this Labraid who was banished from Ireland and returned after thirty years of exile from ' beyond the sea'. And slew over thirty kings one Christmas Eve, and himself became king.
The Irish myths and legends have a few stories of Irishmen being banished abroad to always return. These stories seem to be the oral history of one tribe or man repeated among various places and made into different tales.

1. Labraid Loingsech
2. Tuathal Techtmar
3. Mug Nuadat
4. Lugaid Mal


Lugaid Mal, was banished from Ireland, and landed in the land of Alba, there he conquered that land and became ruler of the lands of Gaul to Scandinavia and from the Orkneys to Spain. Then returned to Ireland with a army of foreigners, landing in Ulster, and became king of Ireland and Tara.






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