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« on: November 04, 2007, 01:07:50 PM »

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nolenancestry/page12.html

R1b1c10: DYS #385a and 385b at 11 and 17 Research Study - A Co. Donegal, Ulster, Ireland and Osraighe (Ossory) Haplotype.

Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O’Nolan has the classification of Haplogroup R1b1c10 meaning that it falls within ten percent of the Western European male population. Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O'Nolan appears to be in the King Colla Uais and R1bSTR43 cluster.

John McEwan suggests in R1b1c10 aka S28 at http://www.geocities.com/mcewanjc/s28.htm that “maybe STR43 may be enriched for this group [S28+].” Stephen Colson suggests that one R1bSTR43 cluster may have spent a considerable amount of time in Ireland tracing some sub-clusters into Scotland and eventually England.

There are several migration scenarios for R1b1c10 (S28+) in Ireland.

Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O’Nolan Migration Scenarios:

1. Central Europe - Ireland (La Tene Celts from Alpine Europe migrate to Ireland, circa 500 BCE),
2. Central Europe - S. E. Norway - Ireland (Scandinavian Celts to Ireland, circa 500 BCE),
3. Central Europe - S. E. Norway - France - Ireland (Vikings to France - Normans to Ireland, 1169).*

* Normans integrated with the Native Irish.

Dr. David Faux, of EthnoAncestry, in a 27 October e-mail suggested a Viking origin from Southeast Norway for Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O'Nolan. Research into a distinct cluster of R1b1c10 at DYS #385a and 385b at 11 and 17, however, leads to a Central European origin. The Faux theory suggests Central European Alpine tribes migrated North into Norway then West into Ireland. DYS #492 at 14 exhibits itself in Central Europe or Latvia. It is not an English marker, according to Faux at this point.

GENEALOGY-DNA-L Archives

16 July 2007

"Historically most of the migrations of Central European Celts has been south (documented from about 400 BC) from Gaul, Bavaria and Baden to Cisalpine Italy. At present it would appear that DYS492=14 is an indicator of northern Alpine ancestry. It is interesting that despite the sample sizes (large numbers of British relative to Continental Europeans having tested) there is not a single English S28 with DYS492=14."

This research indicates a Central European (Germanic) origin for R1b1c10 DYS #385a and 385b at 11 and 17 in Ireland. Certainty does not exist as to which wave of migration R1b1c10 DYS #385a and 385b at 11 and 17 in Ireland belong. There is the possibility of the La Tene Keltoi people from Alpine Europe migrating to Ireland. This unique haplotype may represent a Germanic Celtic Scandinavian migration several centuries before the Common Era, descendancy through the Norse Viking warrior, Aengaba of Norway who was at the Battle of Moytura or the First Battle of Magh Turedh, as represented in the Celtic texts of Ireland, or a Norman - French Tribes of Galway haplotype.

http://www.maryjones.us/ctexts/1maghtured.html


It is possible these waves of migration were all Germanic in origin: the Scandinavian migrations, Norman - French Tribes of Galway, and the preexisting O'Huallachain (O"Nolan) lineage from Offaly - Kilkenny Ireland. The differing waves of migration out of Norway certainly cannot be discounted, but neither can the responsible researcher, out of hand, ignore the possibility of direct migration out of Central Europe.

A French S28+ lineage has an oral family history of an “allemande” or Germanic speaking background that coincides with the Central European (Germanic) conclusions of this study and a family history of mild Dystonia.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nolenancestry/page12.html

"Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O'Nolan of Ireland has a genetic history of Dystonia and, therefore, a central European common ancestor is probable." 

"medical and genetic research into Idiopathic Torsion Dystonia (ITD) suggests “that DYT7 is a common cause for ITD in [Germany] and central Europe, that many patients are descended from a common ancestor, and that the DYT7 gene maps to a 4.4-cM subregion of 18p."

"Other factors can contribute to the onset of Dystonia; however, its primary manifestation is through paternal inheritance. Essentially, Dystonia is Y-linked except for the X-linked DYT3 gene mutation."

Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O’Nolan did intermarry heavily into the Norman - French Tribes of Galway. This does suggest a Germanic origin for this studies R1b1c10 results. And Dystonia may have a founder effect in Central Europe or Germany that has gone undiscovered. The German and Italian results of this R1b1c10 study may in fact be S28+. 

The Windham's, I match and that match Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O'Nolan, base their claim of English heritage on some book written in the 1940s by some Windham researcher. They do not provide evidence beyond Colonial America, 1769 Virginia. They have two competing DNA projects fighting over proofs of this Windham or that Windham being of English heritage. I looked into it and their research bases some of it on an illegitimate child theory of English Windham lore.

I place Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O'Nolan and the Windham group I match in Co. Donegal Ireland based on the prior work of Edward MacLysaght. The plantations of Ulster Ireland forced many native Irish to the New World. Also forced to the New World were the Norman - French who became more Irish than the Irish.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nolenancestry/page1d.html

History of Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O'Nolan

"In October 1641, rebellion against English rule broke out in Ulster and soon spread to the rest of the country."

"The list of Cromwellian evictions for Co. Sligo, Ireland includes JOHN NOLAN, EDMOND and MILMORY MCSWINE, GILCOLLUM O’HIGIN, and TEIG O’HIGIN."


1,000 Years of O'Nolan History

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nolenancestry/page1.html

"Though, a series of NOLAN families existed in England, as described on Part IV of this forum, there is no existing evidence supporting an English heritage for JOHN (NOLAN) NOWLIN of Isle of Wight Co. Virginia, 1643 except the WINDHAM Family DNA Project Khaki groups claim of English descent. The illegitimate child theory of English WINDHAM lore has merit in early Colonial Virginia, however, the illegitimate son of MARY WINDHAM as found in the 18 June 1677 and 4 August 1680 Accomack Co. records cannot explain all the various anomalies in WINDHAM genealogy. Evidence presented on Part II of this forum indicates an Irish connection between these two Herenagh Families of Co. Donegal represented in the Province of Connaught Ireland during the fifteenth and sixteenth century.

Edward MacLysaght established that the O'MULGEEGH, O'BOILE’S, O'BOYLE, MCSWYNE'S, MACSWEENEY, O'MULGEEHY, O MAOLGHAOITHE, MACSUIBHNE family of Clandaholka Parish Co. Donegal became WYNNE or WYNDHAM. By 1400, MACSUIBHNE of Connacht had secured a territorial enclave in Co. Sligo. And Mevaugh Parish where the NOLAN family was Herenagh property owners is adjacent to Clandaholka Parish Co. Donegal."

These families were adjacent Herenagh property owners in Co. Donegal Ireland. Quite frankly, the WINDHAM Family DNA Project Khaki Group 01 who claim descent from Norfolk, England and EDWARD WINDHAM of Isle of Wight Co. Virginia through the lineage of JOHN WYNDHAM who purchased Felbrigg Hall about the year 1450 does not hold water at all, according to my assessment and the assessment of the other Windham DNA group administrator.

N-3, N-4, and N-30 of Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O’NOLAN match participants of the WINDHAM Family DNA Project Khaki Group 01 at a high probability of 98.55-99.18% at the 24-generation range or 600 years. As a general rule, a 90% or more match of compared markers at the 25-marker level or beyond 23 of 25, 33 of 37, 61 of 67 is a probable genetic cousin. I place MacSuibhne in Connaught Ireland by 1400: 2007 - 600 = 1407.

The following web pages document my lineage to Virginia and Ireland:

FAMILY TREE OF GLENN ALLEN NOLEN

http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=98637&id=I1828

DESCENDANTS OF WILLIAM NOWLAND (NOLAND) (NOWLIN) OF GOOCHLAND COUNTY VIRGINIA, 1740 & ALBEMARLE COUNTY VIRGINIA, 1744.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nolenancestry/page1b.htmll

This next page documents my lineage in Ireland. Granted I do not have what the Windham's would consider as genealogical proofs as to the arrival of John Nowlin in Isle of Wight Co. Virginia, 1643 for presentation to a genealogical society, which is what they are fighting over; however, my information is as accurate as the limited documentation of that era will allow. I do present evidence of the eviction and loss of all property rights of John Nolan of Ennniscrone Castle, Co. Sligo Ireland.

History of Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O'Nolan

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nolenancestry/page1d.html

I cannot be certain which wave of migration R1b1c10 DYS #385a and 385b at 11 and 17 in Ireland belong, but it is apparent that this unique cluster is Germanic in origin. Whether it is of the Norse Viking or of the later Norman Invasions is debatable. Dr. David Faux states, "There is no evidence at all from archaeological sources that the La Tene Keltoi from Alpine Europe ever made it to Ireland." Granted that may be the case, but ancient history is full of holes and there is always room for interpretation. I am not saying this group arrived directly from Central Europe to Ireland, but I do not ignore the idea out of hand, either. My research indicates a Central European (Germanic) origin).

My Nolan lineage of Galway heavily intermarried with the Norman - French tribes of Galway. It is possible they were both Germanic in origin: Norman - French tribes of Galway and the preexisting O'Huallachain (O'Nolan) lineage from Offaly - Kilkenny Ireland from differing waves of migration out of Norway. That certainly cannot be discounted. The theory that a Norse viking warrior spawned R1b1c10 in Ireland may in fact be true, but all I do is follow the research.

My EhtnoAncestry test came back S28+ and three of the surnames in Faux's S28+ project are prominent Northwest Irish surnames: Martin, Nolan, and Dowd. One of the French participants of the study indicated to me a family history of mild Dystona, which is primarily Y-linked except for the X-linked DYT3 gene mutation. He also indicated an oral family history of descent from a Germanic speaking population. This does suggest a Germanic origin for these two results. And Dystonia may have a founder effect in Central Europe or Germany that has gone undiscovered.

My research points to Central Europe or Germany. Below are some of the marriages between Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O'Nolan and the Norman - French tribes of Galway Ireland.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nolenancestry/page1d.html

"THOMAS NOLAN - Prior to 1585 resided at the Crevaghe (Creagh Castle) married AGNES MARTIN; Est. Birth: 1560-1570; Death: 18 June 1628."

"* William Betham’s will abstract for THOMAS NOLAN indicates the following: THOMAS NOLAN of Ballinrobe, Co. Mayo, 17 April 1628, Daughter ANNIE, and Wife ENESE [AGNES?] sister of GEOFFREY of NICHOLAS MARTIN."

"CEACILIA NOLAN - Richard Bodkin Arminger marries CEACILIA the daughter of THOMAS NOLAN of Ballimobe in Connaught."

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/4597/index.html

La famille marchande de Butler

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/4597/galway.html

The Bodkin family of Galway

4)Richard Bodkin Arminger marries Ceacilia the daughter of Thomas Nolan de Ballimobe in Connaught.

Richard Bodkin Arminger epouse Ceacilia la fille de Thomas Nolan de Ballimobe en Connaught.

5)Laurentius Bodkin Arminger marries Margarita daughter of Olivery Martin de Tulira in Connaught.

Laurentius Bodkin Arminger epouse Margarita fille de Olivery Martin de Tulira en Connaught.


http://www.hyw.com/Books/History/Vikings_.htm

Vikings and Normans

“A third German influence on Medieval Europe was the Vikings, and their successors the Normans . Actually, the word "Viking" refers to an occupation, that is slipping up little streams and creeks --viks-- to plunder unsuspecting villages. The people commonly called Vikings were the Norse, a Scandinavian sea faring people from Norway, Denmark, and Sweden. In effect, they were the Germans who stayed behind, as many of the German tribes can be traced back to Sweden and Denmark. The same population pressures that caused the tribes to leave Scandinavia several centuries before the birth of Christ, continued.”


http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MA/NORMANS.HTM

European Middle Ages - The Normans

“From Normandy, the feudal system spread rapidly first to Italy and then France—with Duke William II, the Bastard, this new and powerful form of government would cross the channel to England.

As with the Scandinavian settlers of Iceland, the Normans did not stay put in Normandy. With a growing scarcity of land in the eleventh century, some Norman lords migrated to Italy where they carved out their own independent Norman duchies. Italy had remained a largely non-urbanized and backward country after it had been devestated by Justinian's attempt to retake the western empire at the beginning of the sixth century. The establishment of Norman duchies and the feudal system in Italy was the primary reason for the recovery of Italy in the later middle ages.

The turning point in European history, however, was the Norman invasion of England in 1066. England had seen Scandinavian invasions before; these invasions and the subsequent emigrations had carved out an entire Danish kingdom in the north of England, the Danelaw. When the Norman descendants of Scandinavian raiders returned in the eleventh century, they gained control over Anglo-Saxon England and would eventually be responsible for English supremacy over most of Britain.”

The German and Italian results of my R1b1c10 study may in fact be S28+. That has yet to be determined. This Irish R1b1c10 may have been one of "the tribes to leave Scandinavia several centuries before the birth of Christ”. I do not know, and it will be very difficult to determine what wave of migration spawned S28+ in Ireland. 

According to Leo Little's spreadsheet, DYS 492=14 is present in only 2% or R1b1c. The relatively large number of R1b1c10s with this value is probably not a chance result. I think it is very likely these folks (or maybe just most of them) represent a distinct variety of R1b1c10.

A prominent surname of Northwest Ireland Martin, Martyn or Martine is one of the founding tribes of Galway: Normans. The people of Galway spoke a mixture of Norman - French with some Gaelic words until the reign of Henry VIII.

The Donill Oge Ovolloghan in the below article is in fact Donell Oge O'Hollaghan (O'Huallachain). With O'Houlahan (O'Huallachain) (O'Nolan), these are prominent Northwest Irish surnames: Martin, and Nolan. Martin and Nolan are prominently mentioned on the old map of Galway at http://www.galway.net/galwayguide/history/hardiman/chapter1/old_map.html.

"In the second, the armorial bearings of the families of Deane, Joyce, Martine and Skereth, with this inscription over, Antiqua quorumdam Galviae stirpium insignia, and the following underneath:"

"And in the fifth, the armorial bearings of the families of Fallone, Labarth, Nolan, Quinne, Tully and Porte, with the following inscription. underwritten:"

http://www.galwayadvertiser.ie/ent/980813/page5.htm

Did the Tribes of Galway speak Irish? The Old English colony and the 'mere Irish'

"When they arrived in Connacht, they would have spoken Norman - French, and during the chaos of the 14th and early 15th centuries, Galway was virtually cut off from English influence. It is in this connection that Henry VIII's insistence that the people of Galway learn English finds its proper context."

My Nolan family intermarried within the Martin family of Galway.
 
http://www.galway.net/galwayguide/history/hardiman/chapter1/ancient_families.html

Martin

This family is of early origin in Galway. Their pedigree relates, that Oliver Martin was the first of the name, that settled in Ireland, that he was a follower of Strongbow, and that the name was derived from Martius, warlike. Some antiquaries, however, are of opinion, that they were of ancient Irish descent. O'Brien and Vallancey, say, "they are derived from the belgian firbolg, or Martini, Ir. Mairtinigh, respectable remains of which still subsist, in the Cities of Limerick and Galway." Richard Martin of Dangan or Ballinehinch Castle, Esq. is descended from the eldest branch of this family, and the houses of Curraghmore ?, Ross?, Spiddle ? and Tullyra? [x2] are numbered amongst the most respectable in this Province. [y]

Arms. Azure,a calvary cross, on five degrees argent, between the sun in splendor, on the dexter limb, and the moon in crescent, on the sinister. or. [z2] Crest. An etoile wavy, of six points.

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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2007, 01:29:15 PM »

Another Migration Scenario for R1b1c10 (S28+) in Ireland follows:

4. Central Europe - S. E. Scotland - Ireland (Venicones to Ireland).

The Venicones of Southeast Scotland are thought to be related to the Vennicnii, of Co. Donegal or Tyrone of Ulster Ireland, who are of unknown origin. The Vennicnii and the Rhobogdii are anciently placed near the modern county of Donegal where the participants of R1b1c10 DYS #385a and 385b at 11 and 17 resonate.

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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2007, 04:00:42 PM »

Migration Scenario #5 for R1b1c10 (S28+) in Ireland follows:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nolenancestry/page12.html


5. Eastern Europe - Scythia - Khazar - Galicia - Central Europe - Spain - Ireland.

http://cerbere.ca/wconnect/wc.dll?Officiel~displayall~S28~officiel

http://crossedbrushstudio.com/windowsintoourpast/Vol1/milesius.htm


DNA Analysis of R1b1c10 by Gary Felix of a Baltic and Eastern European most likely origin for R1b1c10 ties into the Scythian Milesian ancestry myths of the Heremonian lineage of Ireland. And despite what Dr. Faux insists as no Irish R1b1c10 in his data Irish R1b1c10 exists. Felix states, “I believe the signal you are seeing out of France is from those R1b1c10 caught on the western shores of France (the probable center of this western expansion) after the flooding.” (30)

Evidence supports R1bSTR43 being in the British Isles and probably Scotland and or Ireland. Beaugrand, XZ497, R1b1c10 from France also matches into R1bSTR43. 9KDAF or N-4 R1b1c10 is a genetic distance of two at the 20-marker level from R1bSTR43.

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/khazar_history.htm

New Hypothesis on the origins of the Khazars: The Khazars and the Scythians.


"The Scythians are the common ancestors of the Indo-European people - including the people of Ireland, where according to the traditions of the Lebor Gabala Erren (Book of the Taking of Ireland), the Irish originated in Scythia and were descendants of a King Feinius Farsaid, a King of Scythia. For more on this check Irish mythology - the legendary descent of the Irish Clans." (31)

“Herodotus wrote extensively on the Scythians - the common ancestors of most of Indo-European peoples. He noted that this was the name they used to call themselves and that it translates in Greek as Nomads, or "wanderers". This is almost a direct proof that the tribes he describes under the common name of "Scythians" were proto-Slav peoples and that the name was derived from the Slav word "skitati" meaning "wander", "roam" (and thence the derivative word "skiti" - wanderers). Herodotus roughly outlined the territory inhabited by "Scythians": from the German mountains (Schwarzwald) in the west to the Black sea in the east and from the Baltic region in the North to the Mediterranean in the south. This was more or less half the known world at his times. What were the peoples that inhabited the world beyond these boundaries Herodotus did not say. (This was revealed and proven only now, in the 20th century AD, by the archeological findings in West China, Xin-jiang Province, in Mongol-Bouryatia, around lake Baikal, and in the vast lands between the Altai and Hindu Kush mountains. There archeologists excavated scores of mummies of Indo-European race, some of them as old as 5000 years and resembling very closely the peoples abiding the Atlantic coast roughly at the same time. Unfortunately Dr. Tzenov died in 1952). A number of the ancient authors often called the "Scythians" "K(C)eltoscythians", too. Among the "keltoscythian" peoples they mentioned "Gog", "Magog", "Geti", "Masageti", "Cimmerians", etc. (Today's historians regard the "Scythians" as a long extinct people, of whom only legends and some artifacts are left. However, ancient Skitians' gene stock is as alive today as it was 5 or 10 thousand years ago, being passed through Thracians, Illyrians, Dacians, etc., etc., into the present day Slav nations all over Central, Southeast and East Europe, and possibly into some other, unexpected ethnic group.)” (32)

“What West-European historians (and most of East-European ones as well) call The Great Migration of Peoples in the early Middle Ages - between 4th and 7th AD - implying that huge masses of people from the depth of Asia, predominantly of Turkic origin, rushed into Europe and turned everything on their way into ruins, is to a very large extent dramatic fiction, myth, fabrication. What actually took place in the above period (and even as early as by the end of the 3rd century AD) was the dislocation and transposition of the different Scythian (Skitian if we would prefer the correct form) peoples within their vast European range. This tremendous movement of human masses was due to a large extent to overpopulation of their traditional home territories where the life supporting resources have become more or less exhausted.” (33)

“It is very possible that when Kozars/Khazars started leaving their homeland because of the overpopulation, they moved in more than one direction: i.e. while part of them went south, crossed the Danube and entered Mysia and Thracia, where they mixed with their kinsmen there, another part may had moved eastwards towards the plains between the Black and Caspian seas and mixed with the Skitians inhabiting those lands, may be as far south as the Caucasus Mountains. Probably it was in this way that the tale of the Volga-Kama Bulgaria was born. It is possible that some of them may have been converted to Judaism by the mountain Jews from Caucasus, but the notion that almost the whole of the contemporary Jewry, particularly the Jews from Russia, Poland, the Baltic States - the East Europe in general - originated from the Kozars/Khazars is right away improbable. Jews of definitely Semitic origin have lived in Bulgaria for at least 1000 years. They arrive here in greater numbers after they were driven away from Spain by the end of 15th century AD. Most of the Ashkenazim Jews settled in Bulgaria by the end of 19th century AD, when the country was already liberated from the Otoman rule, but no doubt there were many who had come to live here while the country was still within the Otoman Empire.” (34)

http://members.aol.com/lochlan2/legends.htm

The Milesian Legends: The Book of the Taking of Ireland.


"According to the traditions of the Lebor Gabala Erren (Book of the Taking of Ireland), the Irish originated in Scythia and were descendants of a King Feinius Farsaid, a King of Scythia. This Feinius Farsaid and his son, Nel, went into Asia to work on the Tower of Nimrod (Tower of Babel in biblical history) and were present at the subsequent dispersal of the races after the destruction of the tower. Feinius and his son, both learned in the new languages which resulted from the dispersal, returned to Scythia where Feinius opened a great school of languages on the Scythian plain." (35)

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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2008, 01:16:20 AM »

My unique R1b1c10 (R1b1b2h) haplotype of DYS 385a and 385b at 11 and 17 can now be linked to the Corca Laoighdhe of Southwest Co. Cork, Ireland through the lineages of O Cobhthaigh (O'Coffey), O hAodha (O'Hea), and O Huallachain (O'Nolan) who each present the same unique haplotype. Further evidence of the Irish heritage of R1b1c10 (R1b1b2h) is available at R1b1b2h (R1b1c10) - DYS #385a and 385b at 11 and 17: A Corca Luighe (Corca Laoidhe) and Ossory (Osraighe) Haplotype in Co. Donegal, Ulster, Ireland, 1600s @ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nolenancestry/page12.html.
 
For instance, O'Huallachain (O'Nolan), O'Cobhthaigh (O'Coffey), and O'hAodha (O'Hea) or Egan descend from the Corca Laoighdhe.
 
Corca Laoighdhe [Corca Laidhe: Descendants of Lugaid son of Ith].
 
O Cobhthaigh (O'Coffey).
O Duinnin (O'Dinneen).
O hEidirsceoil (O'Driscoll).
O Floinn (O'Flynn).
O hAodha (O'Hea).
O Haonghusa [meaning descendant of Aonghus or Angus] (O'Hennessy)
[shared the lordship of Clann Cholgan with their kinsmen the
O'Holohan's (O Huallachain].
O Laoghaire (O'Leary).


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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2008, 07:45:13 AM »

The discovery of S116 linking R1b1c10 (R1b1b2h) S28+ or U152+ with Northwest Irish R1b1c7 gives great hope for the discovery of an original R1b1c lineage. R1b1c7 must have descended from R1b1c10 and research into DYS# 385a and 385b of 11 and 17 suggest that it descended from the handful of known R1b1c at DYS# 385a and 385b of 11 and 18. Further evidence suggest that R1b1c10 (R1b1b2h) S28+ or U152+ DYS# 492 of 14 and R1b1c at DYS# 385a and 385b of 11 and 18 have a Continental European origin.
   
17447 O'Driscoll R1b1c 13 24 14 10 11 18 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 30 15 15 17 17 11 12 19 23 16 15 18 17 36 40 12 12

4NQV7 Fabbri 13 24 14 10 11 18 12 12 12 14 13 30

4CE7U Cover 13 24 14 10 11 18 12 12 12 14 13 31 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 19 29 14 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 17 15 38 38 11 13 

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nolenancestry/page12.html

R1b1b2h (R1b1c10) - DYS #385a and 385b at 11 and 17: A Corca Luighe (Corca Laoidhe) and Ossory (Osraighe) Haplotype in Co. Donegal, Ulster, Ireland, 1600s.

“Prevailing evidence suggests the founding of R1b1c DYS# 385a and 385b at 11 and 14. That would mean that most R1b1c at DYS# 385a and 385b of 11 and 17 mutated from 11 and 16 or inherited an 11 and 17 at DYS# 385a and 385b. Thus, evidence presented below of O’Hullachain (O’Nolan) descending from the only O’Driscoll at 11 and 18 is consistent with a mutation pattern from 11 and 16 to 11 and 17 and then to 11 and 18.”

“The ancestors of the R1b1c O’Driscoll at 11 and 18 must have then gone through this generational mutation process from 11 and 14, 11 and 15, 11 and 16, 11 and 17, to 11 and 18. R1b1c of 11 and 18 at DYS #385a and 385b, therefore, represents a direct lineage of its 11 and 14 ancestors. O’Driscoll was the ruling clan of the Corca Laoidhe. Surnames of the Corca Laoidhe, O’Hullachain (O’Nolan), O'Cobhthaigh (O'Coffey), and O'hAodha (O'Hea) or Egan, at R1b1c DYS #385a and 385b at 11 and 17, therefore, exhibit a genetic relationship characterized as descendants of the ruling clan of the Corca Laoidhe, which has now mutated to 11 and 18.”

R1b1c10 (R1b1b2h) S28+ or U152+ DYS 492 = 14

22 March 2008

Kerchner's R1b1c10 (U152+) Project

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b1c10/index.aspx?fixed_columns=on

35655 Joachim Martin, b.c. 1636, Aunis, France 
338 Wulf Blankenfeld, b.1835 Latvia, d. 1928 Latvia 
83685 Lewis Fritch, born 1816, Baden, Germany 
40886 Michael O'Nolan of Galway, Ireland - 1473 

Y-Search (R1b1c10)

http://www.ysearch.org/

DYS #492 = 14

H7ESF, 2Y9JY, 4CNWB, 8FKCD, 9KDAF, C33Z2, D7QYR, q4kfq, Q6WX5 

H7ESF Unknown Surname - adopted
2Y9JY Witzel Hofheim im Ried, Hessen-Darmstadt, Germany
4CNWB Ribble Alsace-Lorraine/Elsa¯-Lothringen, Germany 
8FKCD Nolen Galway, Ireland 
9KDAF Nolen Galway, Ireland 
C33Z2 Fritch Baden, Germany 
D7QYR Windham Felbrigg Hall near Cromer, Norfolk, England* 
q4kfq Steidel Kempten, Germany 
Q6WX5 Amato Nicosia, Sicily

Seven are Germanic (Central European) in origin including D7QYR Windham, 9KDAF Nolen, and 8FKCD Nolen of Ireland.

* Windham is also an Irish surname according to the research of Edward MacLysaght, first Chief Herald of Ireland.

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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2008, 05:10:05 PM »

I apologize for the confusion, but further information has come to light about the new S116 R1b subgroup. Apparently FTDNA reacted quickly to this news. And most major branches of R1b1c are positive for this new marker.

R1b1c4, R1b1c6, R1b1c7, and R1b1c10 test positive for this new marker. Based on this data, R1b1c4, R1b1c6, and R1b1c10 are all potentially Irish. The link between R1b1c7 and R1b1c10 is present, however, currently we do not know what this all signifies.

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2008-03/1206567817

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Subject: [DNA] Most major R1b1c branches are positive for rs34276300 (exceptU106)

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:44:37 -0500

As there has been an active discussion on the list about the rs34276300 SNP, we wanted to contribute something useful to the genealogical community.

We have tested 6 research samples from different branches of R1b1c-M269 for this SNP and have received the following results:

Sample 1 (R1b1c*) A+
Sample 2 (R1b1c4-M153) A+
Sample 3 (R1b1c6-SRY2627) A+
Sample 4 (R1b1c7-M222) A+
Sample 5 (R1b1c9-U106) C-
Sample 6 (R1b1c10-U152) A+

We have not tested samples that are R1b1c-M37, R1b1c-M65 or R1b1c-P66 yet (as we don't have positive controls for them in Houston right now ).

At least M153, M222, SRY2627 and U152 are downstream from the new SNP.

We may expect some R1b1c* to be negative for rs34276300, but I think the majority will be positive.

The analysis was done by Sanger sequencing and the test for this SNP can be ordered by interested customers starting today. We only recommend this SNP for persons that have been tested negative for all deep SNP markers below M269 (=R1b1c*). Of course P66+, M65+ and M37+ volunteers are welcome, too.

The price for this single SNP will be $19. If you want to order it, please email rs34276300@familytreedna.com with your kit # and we'll contact you about details for placing the order.

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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2008, 10:30:29 AM »

My unique R1b1c10 (R1b1b2h*) haplotype of DYS #385a and 385b at 11 and 17 can now be linked also to the Dál Riada (Dál Riata) and the Ancient Uladh (Province of Ulster) Ireland. My self worth is not dependent on arguing this issue with anyone on any genealogical or DNA board or forum. This is merely an attempt to post my research!

Origins of the Irish and Scottish: Corca Luighe (Corca Laoidhe) and Dál Riada (Dál Riata)

R1b1b2h* (R1b1c10) - DYS #385a and 385b at 11 and 17: A Corca Luighe (Corca Laoidhe) Ossory (Osraighe) and Dál Riada (Dál Riata) Uladh Haplotype in Co. Donegal, Ulster, Ireland, 1600s.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nolenancestry/page12.html

“44P3H Cameron and Rogers or MacRory are Dál Riada (Dál Riata) surnames. 81807 Blair at DYS #385a and 385b at 11 and 19 is also a Scottish surname from the Scotland DNA Project.

An early tribe of the Uladh (Province of Ulster) was the Dál Riada or Dál Riata, once referred to by Romans as “Scoti” or "Scotia" from which the name Scotland may have derived. One Irish genealogy of the ancient Dál Riata refers to the Clan of Úgaine Mor and Glass mac Nuadait Argatlám as the common ancestor between the Dál Riata and the people of Laigin (Leinster), Ulaid (Ulster), Ossairgi (Osraighe or Ossory), and the Síl Cuind. This mythical figure also known as Nuadu Argatlám, Nuadu of the Silver Hand or Nudd Airgetlam, (R1b1c7) King of the Tuatha De Danann, lost a hand in battle with the Fir Bolg or Belgae (R1b1c10) and every subsequent family in Ireland is reportedly descended from the race of Nuadu.

Clan Úgaine Mor represents Irish R1b1c7. For instance, ancient Irish genealogies register Cobhtach, Caol mBreagh, the eldest son of Úgaine Mor, 66th Milesian Monarch of Ireland as the ancestor of the R1b1c7 O’Nuallains from Co. Carlow. The Clan of Úgaine Mor also represents the ancestral lineage of R1b1c7: Niall Nóigiallach - Niall of the Nine Hostages while King Colla Uais, Father of the Clans of Scotland, exiled from Ireland probably represents Haplogroup R1b1b2h* or R1b1c10.”

“R1b1b2h* or R1b1c10 DYS #385a and 385b at 11 and 17 indicate a Corca Luighe (Corca Laoidhe), Ossory (Osraighe) and Dál Riada (Dál Riata) Uladh Haplotype in Co. Donegal, Ulster, Ireland, during the 1600s. This represents an Irish heritage for most participants of this study. Y-DNA cannot yet place R1b1c10 (R1b1b2h*): DYS #385a and 385b at 11 and 17 into a specific wave of Celtic migration as shown by the myriad of Irish migration myths. Hence, we have two mythological origins for the Corca Loigde: Érainn or Goídel. Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O’Nolan: Connaught is of the Corca Laoidhe and that places it within the Érainn or Goidel, but pinpointing an arrival date prior to 2,500 years ago is not possible at this point.”
 
“ANCESTRAL QUEST: CELTIC INVASIONS OF IRELAND, BY PATRICK LAVIN.

The "Erainn (also known as Menapii, Bolgi, Belgae and Firbolgs) by annalists and historians, arrived after 500 B. C. They called their new home Eueriio, which would later evolve through the old Irish Eriu to Eire, and from Eire to Ireland. Claudius Ptolemy's map of ancient Ireland shows branches of the Erainn widely dispersed throughout the island, but with strongest connection in the areas around Cork and Kerry where they first settled. These tribes, more frequently called the Firbolgs, were, according to historian J. Rhys (1890), a seafaring people who wore breeches, wielded improved weapons and traced their origins to the goddess Bolg. Norman Mongan, in his well-researched book, Menapia Quest (1995), traces their origin to the Menappi, a confederation of Belgae Celts from north Gaul and the area now known as Belgium. Among the several tribes he identifies, were the Dal Riada of west Antrim and the Dal Fiatach of east Ulster. Both of these tribes, he believes, were granted Gaelic ancestry and thereafter identified only as Gaodhail (the last of the ancient Celtic invaders). Mongon suggests that many Firbolgs survived into early historic times as "tributary" tribes." (31) The above quote is from Ancestral Quest: Celtic Invasions of Ireland, by Patrick Lavin.”

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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2008, 06:59:16 PM »

I forgot to summarize my research conclusions:

It is my opinion, based on the above research, that R1b1b2h* (R1b1c10) DYS #385a and 385b at 11 and 17 represents Irish Scythian Milesian ancestry. For further information, please read, the variant texts from the Lebor Gabala Erren at http://members.aol.com/lochlan2/lebor2.htm.

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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2008, 02:56:11 PM »

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nolenancestry/page12.html

Corroboration of the movement of the Belgae to Ireland is in the following statement of 20 April 2008 based on DYS #492 at 14 in Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O'Nolan: Connaught.

“The "hotspot" is clearly a band through southern Germany to Belgium via Luxembourg. The percentage of DYS 492=14 is over 50% in these areas.” (63)

The R1b1b2h* Celtic research of this study submitted to the Journal of Genetic Genealogy on 10 February 2008 did not conform to Stephen Oppenheimer’s Celtic conclusions and a suggestion was made that it be omitted.

15 February 2008

“If you are going to mention the possible LaTene connection, I don’t believe that you can just state it as though everyone accepts it…”

“Especially since many of our readers will be familiar with Stephen Oppenheimer’s book, in which he disputes the LaTene connection to the Celts …”

“It might be best not to mention it, but maybe your theory needs a Central European origin in order for your dystonia evidence to play a role (?).” (64)

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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2008, 10:26:11 AM »

The following corroborates the movement of the Belgae to Spain and corresponds to the Milesian Legends of Ireland.

Nolan DNA Project

http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/n/nolan/

"Research into Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O’Nolan: Connaught also appears to corroborate the fourth division of Ireland as described by Geoffrey Keating in the History of Ireland illustrated at Ireland's History in Maps. And Y-Search participant, DF7SK, Corsi from Spain, R1b1b2h, at DYS #385a and 385b at 11 and 19 and DYS #492 at 14 corresponds to the migration pattern discussed in the Lebor Gabala Erren and the Milesian Legends of Ireland."

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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2008, 11:36:16 PM »

Below are two explanations for O'Huallachain meaning "of the Nolan's". In Ireland, the name is usually representative of the Co. Carlow Nolans. By the 17th century, these two Irish Clan names are interchangeable, but a new hypothesis is possible due to the ever-expanding knowledge of genetics. "Of the Nolan's" could represent the people from the territory of Nola of ancient Italy.

Ken Nordtvedt, has calculated a time to most recent common ancestor for U152 (R1b1b2a2g) (R1b1b2h*) (R1b1c10) that falls within the range for the volcanic destruction of the city and territory of Nola circa 1772 B.C.   

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2008-05/1211221129

"I get an age back to the common MRCA for S21 and S28 to be 3780 years. The S28 MRCA is almost immediately after that event, while the S21 MRCA does not occur until about 500 years later, 3270 years ago."

(1) http://www.archaeology.org/0203/newsbriefs/bronzeage.html

A publication of the Archaeological Institute of America

Move Over, Pompeii

Volume 55 Number 2, March/April 2002
by Jarrett A. Lobell

One of the world's best-preserved Bronze Age villages has been found at Nola, a few miles from Vesuvius, during routine tests before construction of a shopping center. A catastrophic eruption of the volcano, known to have taken place between 1800 and 1750 B.C., left this "Prehistoric Pompeii" in a state of remarkable preservation.

For more than 250 years, archaeologists have been working around the Bay of Naples to uncover the lives of the inhabitants of Pompeii, Herculaneum, and the surrounding towns and villas buried by the eruption of Vesuvius in A.D. 79. But near the city of Nola, archaeologists found the homes and possessions of the region's much earlier
residents. Although much of the structure of the prehistoric huts was destroyed by the eruption, falling ash and volcanic mud hardened to create a kind of mold of the village in reverse, much like the casts of the victims of Vesuvius' more famous eruption. In addition to the remains of actual huts, which go far beyond the usual post holes, director Giuseppe Vecchio and his team have also excavated a rich array of finds that reveal much about domestic life at the time. Since Nola is only 7.5 miles from the volcano, people probably did not have time to pack before the eruption, and left behind cooking utensils, drinking cups, hunting tools, a hat decorated with wild boars' teeth, and a pot waiting to be fired in the kiln. Evidence for their  has also been found, including pig, sheep, and cow bones, pots full of grain, and a pen, elevated six feet off the ground and filled with the bones of pregnant goats. So far no human remains have been found at Nola--only several footprints preserved in the mud--but scholars believe the skeletons of a Bronze Age man and woman discovered nearby about five years ago may be associated with the prehistoric eruption as well. Excavation is ongoing, with plans to reconstruct the village at a nearby museum and perhaps open the site to tourists.

© 2002 by the Archaeological Institute of America
www.archaeology.org/0203/newsbriefs/bronzeage.html

http://www.bencourtney.com/ebooks/livy/

THE HISTORY OF ROME.
BY TITUS LIVIUS.
BOOKS NINE TO TWENTY-SIX.
LITERALLY TRANSLATED, WITH NOTES
AND ILLUSTRATIONS, BY D. SPILLAN
AND CYRUS EDMONDS.
1868.

“territory of Nola”

"of the Nolans"


http://books.google.com/books?id=G-QrAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA207&lpg=PA207&dq=%22territory+of+Nola%22&source=web&ots=_Ob5CenMFg&sig=SMRZ_1Og6bs3-3SrpHK4OqQI0-4&hl=en

ANCIENT ITALY HISTORICAL AND GEOGRAPHICAL INVESTIGATIONS IN CENTRAL ITALY, MAGNA GRAECIA SICILY, AND SARDINIA BY ETTORE TIANSLATED FROM THE ITALIAN BY c. DENSMORE CURTIS

CHICAGO: THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO PRESS, LONDON

COPYRIGHT 1907 By THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO
Published January 1906
Composed and Printed By
The University of Chiiago Press.

(2) http://www.dunnclan.org/nolan.htm

Dunn Sept Association

Nolan Family

"In 1878, however, Connacht landlords named Nolan possessed over 12,000 acres; but there was no extensive landowner of the name in or near Co. Carlow. There was also a small sept of O'Nuallain belonging to the Corca Laidhe group. (Possibly the Nolans of west Munster to-day stem from them) These, however, for some reason not apparent, were often called O hUllachain - thus in Lynche's De Praesulibus (1672) the two names are treated as
interchangeable. In this connexion it may be mentioned that, according to Woulfe, O hUallachain is anglicized Nolan in north Connacht. As Knowlan and Knowland this name is noted in the "census" of 1659 as numerous in Longford and in the adjacent baronies of Co. Westmeath. In Irish the name is O Nuallain, I.e. descendant of Nuallan."

http://www.4crests.com/orof40moscom.html

Origin of the 40 most common Irish Surnames

“Nolan/Knowlan: O Nuallain (nuall, shout). In early times holding hereditary office under the Kings of Leinster, the cheif of this sept was known as Prince of Foherta, i.e. the barony of forth, in the present county of Carlow where the name was and still is very numerous. A branch migrated to east Connacht and Co. Longford. In Roscommon and Mayo Nolan is used synonymously with Holohan (from the genitive plural); and in Fermanagh as an anglicized from of O hUltachain. There was also a sept of the name of Corca Laoidhe, which is now represented in Co. Kerry.”

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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2008, 12:03:42 PM »

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nolenancestry/page12.html

http://home.scarlet.be/mauk.haemers/collegium_religionis/cipab.htm


Two key quotes of interest in the Cippus Abellanus by M. Horatius Piscinus are "It was unusual in Italy that such a sanctuary lay on the border between two towns. Such border sanctuaries were known however among the Celtic tribes of southern Gaul.” and “In 327 B.C.E., 2000 Nolans and 4000 Sanniti were sent to capture Neapolis and Palepoli.” (68) The first quote of interest suggests an association with “the Celtic tribes of southern Gaul”, and the second quote of interest refers to the people of the territory of Nola as “Nolans” more than two thousand years ago. (69)

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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2008, 10:54:24 PM »

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nolenancestry/page12.html

Of the Nolans (Nola)

Origins of the Irish and Scottish: Corca Luighe (Corca Laoidhe) and Dál Riada (Dál Riata)

R1b1b2a2g (R1b1b2h*) (R1b1c10) - DYS #385a and 385b at 11 and 17: A Corca Luighe (Corca Laoidhe) Ossory (Osraighe) and Dál Riada (Dál Riata) Uladh Haplotype in Co. Donegal, Ulster, Ireland, 1600s.


My study concludes that R1b1b2a2g (R1b1c10) (R1b1b2h*) S28+ or U152+ possibly migrated from the Central Italian refugium after the LGM (Last Glacial Maximum) spreading throughout Europe with R1b1b2h DYS #385a and 385b at 11 and 17 representing a direct mutational link to its 11 and 14 ancestors. If not within the Central Italian refugium it most certainly migrated from the east (Scythia), remaining in the territory of Nola of ancient Italy until the Bronze Age when an eruption at Mount Vesuvius caused thousands of Nolans (people from the territory of Nola) to flee recorded in footprints preserved in the volcanic ash.

My research also concurs with the original inhabitant theory of the Etruscan Civilization. Old Croghan Man, found in a bog at Croghan Hill north of Daingean, Co. Offaly Ireland, placed on a tribal boundary is a similar cultural phenomenon to the border sanctuaries of the Nolans in ancient Italy. Thus, this is not a new theory only corroboration of the Keltoscythian migration to ancient Italy, Central Europe, Spain, and Ireland.


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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2008, 09:35:07 AM »

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nolenancestry/page12.html

“Archaeologist Ned Kelly, [head of antiquities at the National Museum of Ireland] has found that 40 bog bodies were buried on tribal borders or boundaries.

"My belief is that these burials are offerings to the gods of fertility by kings, to ensure a successful reign," says Ned. "And that bodies are placed in the borders surrounding royal land or on tribal boundaries to ensure a good yield of corn and milk.” (71)

“Virgil’s mention of rustic rites of Ceres blessing the fields by an ambularia (Georgic I.338-350), the rite mentioned in the Cippus Abellanus where by the sanctuary is circuited can be seen as another example of an ambularia. Among the petroglyphs of Val Camonica, at Dos Cui, there is a plowing scene dating to the end of the Neolithic and transition into the Chalcolithic. The scene depicts a man plowing behind a team of horses, but to one side is seen a woman with upraised arms in a sign of adoration that can be recognized as such from other scenes in the region. Rather than a scene of everyday life, her presence suggests that this may be a representation of a religious rite. If that is the case then the foundation rite found among diverse people in Italy, and perhaps the ambularia as well, may extend back to the period of the introduction of the plow. At any rate the similarity between the ambularia and foundation rites among Umbrians, Oscans, Latins, and Etruscans cannot be attributed to any one of these peoples, and the fact that the same rites are associated with a sanctuary of the pre-Italic Calcidesi suggests there is a much earlier level that was common among the traditions of diverse peoples in Archaic Italy.” (72)

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http://www.commission5.isprs.org/wg4/workshop_ancona/proceedings/04.pdf

THE THREE DIMENSIONAL LASER SCANNER SYSTEM: THE NEW FRONTIER FOR SURVEYING. CASE HISTORY: THE LEANING TOWER OF PISA (ITALY), THE ANCIENT THEATRE OF TAORMINA (ITALY), THE PREHISTORIC SITE OF NOLA (NAPLES-ITALY).
 
4. THE PREHISTORIC SITE OF NOLA (NAPLES-ITALY).

Short historical accounts.

During an examination of the territory of Nola (important centre located at a distance of about 25 km from Naples), rich in archaeological monuments, which go from the prehistoric times until the classical ages, it has been discovered a village dated back to the Ancient Bronze buried by the eruption of Avellino, occurred between the XIX and XVII century B.C. The tragical event was called: "Pomici di Avellino” because, during the eruption, the ashes and the pumice-stones fell principally towards North-East, in direction of the above-mentioned town.

In a wide excavation of about 1000 square-metres, deep six metres, three big huts, of great archaeological interest, have been brought to light; these constructions surely were part of a larger agglomerate and were all orientated toward North-West or South-East.

The particular moisture of the soil has kept footsteps of wooden-shoes, oak leaves, some mushrooms and the remains of a lizard. The condition of the houses was exceptional, they had the form of a horse-shoe with an opening on the straight side.

A practical application of 3D laser scanner technology: the survey of the prehistoric site of Nola (Naples-Italy).

The application of laser scanner system in archaeological field is very advantageous, in fact it allows to safeguard and survey the artistic patrimony existent in our country.

The precise survey of complex archaeological contexts gives the possibility to create a multimedial database, which can be examined in different historical moments and at different levels, surveying, in this way, the single steps of the excavation.

In the specific case of the site of Nola, the intervention has been characterized by two phases of the excavation: the first one in which the laser scanner has recorded the most superficial discoveries (the pen with kids and the superior parts of the huts), and the second one which has brought to light the complete structures of the huts.

Thanks to the utilization of the tridimensional laser scanner, has been possible to reconstruct the real numerical model of the site 

considered and to record 15 constituent scans which form, in the complex, a cloud of about 5 million georeferenced measure points above sea level and across an high precision  topographical  survey.

Figura 11 . Rendering of the archaeological site of Nola; overall view.
Figure 12. Rendering of the archaeological site of Nola; overall view.
Figure 13. Rendering of the archaeological site of Nola; detailed view.

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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2008, 06:46:35 PM »

With the addition of deep clade test results for N2F3B, Hagan, and 18393, Windham, the following R1b1b2h (R1b1c10) S28+ or U152+ DYS #385a and 385b of 11 and 17 participants have an overwhelmingly Irish heritage. Those who insist Irish R1b1b2h does not exist are not accurate, and quite honestly are still engaged in the old English or Irish debate.

Y-Search lists B92H6, Sangiacomo, at DYS #385a and 385b of 11 and 17 and DYS #492 at 14 Country of Origin as Naples, Italy while Kerchner's R1b1b2h (U152+) Project: Southern Europe U152+ lists N48945, R1b1b2h, at DYS #385a and 385b of 11 and 14 as having Italian heritage south of Naples in Salandra.
 
These listings are consistent with my study conclusions of an ancient Italian origin for the Irish.
 

20-marker R1b1b2h (R1b1c10) S28+ or U152+ DYS #385a and 385b of 11 and 17 Participant Text File


N-3 Nolen Galway Ireland 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 31 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19

N-4 Nolen Galway Ireland R1b1b2h 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 30 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19

N-30 Nolen Galway Ireland R1b1b2h 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 31 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19

5GGTH Hagan 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 30 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19

N2F3B Hagan Ireland R1b1b2h 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 30 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19

YNXPB Hagan 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 30 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19

H-34 Hagan 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 30

67680 Windham 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 31 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19                                                             

64310 Windham 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 31 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19                                                           

54549 Windham 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 31 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19                                                             

71256 Windham 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 31 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19                                                             

18393 Windham R1b1b2h 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 31 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19

71535 Windham 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 31 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19                                                             

56134 Windham 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 31 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19                                             

57644 Windham 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 31 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19

60381 Windham 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 13 13 31 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19                                                             

61401 Windham 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 13 13 31 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19

N34131 Egan 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 30

44P3H Cameron 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 31 18 9 10 11 11 24 15 19

95170 Fore 13 24 15 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 31 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 20

21966 Ford 13 24 15 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 31

37532 Ford 13 24 15 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 31

4CE7U Cover 13 24 14 10 11 18 12 12 12 14 13 31 17 9 9 11 11 25 15 19

CC95M Vaughan 13 24 14 11 11 17 12 12 12 13 15 30 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19

17447 O'Driscoll R1b1b2 13 24 14 10 11 18 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19

H9GSH Rodgers 13 24 15 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 30

26721 Rogers 13 24 15 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 30 17 9 9 11 11 25 14 19

G8SEA Redd 13 24 15 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 30 17 9 9 11 11 25 14 19

72RDQ Griggs 13 24 15 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 30 17 9 9 11 11 25 14 19

62830 Roberts 13 24 15 10 11 17 12 12 12 14 13 30 17 9 9 11 11 25 14 19

23643 Roberts 13 24 14 11 11 17 12 12 13 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19

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1596 May 13 24 14 11 11 17 12 12 12 13 13 29 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 19

DJN6U Coffee 13 24 14 10 11 17 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19

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35429 DeLucia Italy R1b1b2 13 24 14 11 11 17 12 12 13 12 13 28 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19

4NQV7 Fabbri Italy 13 24 14 10 11 18 12 12 12 14 13 30

Grandi Italy 13 24 15 10 11 17 12 12

Brach-Loieta Italy 13 24 15 10 11 17 12 12 12 13 13

52294 Armstrong 13 23 14 11 11 17 12 12 13 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 23 15 19

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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2008, 12:04:35 AM »

Correction: N2F3B, Hagan, had merely been predicted R1b1b2h by FTDNA. He has now ordered the deep clade test and should receive test results confirming R1b1b2h in six to eight weeks.

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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2008, 07:27:08 PM »

NALP1 gene, on chromosome 17 located at 17p13!

I have identified a possible link to the Milesian legends of Ireland and Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O'Nolan: Connaught through a description of Eber Glunfhind son of Lamfhind as having "(white marks which were on his knees)."

This description in the Variant texts from the Lebor Gabala Erren at http://members.aol.com/lochlan2/lebor2.htm is a similar occurrence of a loss of pigmentation among only one to two percent of the population. Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O'Nolan: Connaught does have a history of this disorder.
 
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"The NALP1 gene, which is on chromosome 17 located at 17p13, is on a cascade that regulates inflammation and cell death, including myeloid and lymphoid cells, which are white cells that are part of the immune response. NALP1 is expressed at high levels in T cells and Langerhan's cells, white cells that are involved in skin autoimmunity. Among the inflammatory products of NALP1 are caspase 1 and caspase 5, which activate the inflammatory cytokine interleukin-1β. Interleukin-1β is expressed at high levels in patients with vitiligo."
 
NALP1 gene
 
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/356/12/1216
 

NALP1 in Vitiligo-Associated Multiple Autoimmune Disease
 
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/65881.php
 

Researchers Discover 'vitiligo Gene', Paving The Way For New Treatments
 

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"Another curious genetic irregularity that may link Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O'Nolan: Connaught to the Milesian legends and the Lebor Gabala Erren is the description of "white marks" or patches on the knees of Eber Glunfhind son of Lamfhind. (80) Vitiligo is a chronic genetic skin disorder resulting in pigmentation loss affecting approximately one to two percent of the population. One study "found several mutations in the NALP1 gene. NALP1 "is on chromosome 17 located at 17p13, on a cascade that regulates inflammation and cell death." (81)"


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NALP1 Update!


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"Another curious genetic irregularity that may link Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O’Nolan: Connaught to the Milesian legends and the Lebor Gabala Erren is the description of “white marks” on the knees of Eber Glunfhind son of Lamfhind. (80) Vitiligo is a chronic genetic skin disorder resulting in pigmentation loss affecting approximately one to two percent of the population. One study found several mutations in the NALP1 gene. NALP1 “is on chromosome 17 located at 17p13, on a cascade that regulates inflammation and cell death, including myeloid and lymphoid cells, which are white cells that are part of the immune response. NALP1 is expressed at high levels in T cells and Langerhan's cells, white cells that are involved in skin autoimmunity.

Among the inflammatory products of NALP1 are caspase 1 and caspase 5, which activate the inflammatory cytokine interleukin-1β. Interleukin-1β is expressed at high levels in patients with vitiligo.” (81) CASP5 (caspase 5), according to GENATLAS: Gene Database, is a Y-linked "apoptosis-related cysteine protease" located at 11q22.2-q22.3. (82) A 2002 study of VTLG, Vitiligo, Gene map locus 6p21.3, found “a major dominant gene and the existence of strong environmental effects acting on the recessive genotype. The penetrance and risk estimations discriminated 2 sets of vitiligo patients: those with early onset of vitiligo cosegregating with a dominant mode of inheritance without environmental effects, and those with late onset of vitiligo cosegregating with the recessive genotype and being influenced by environmental effects.” (83)"


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“Thereafter they settled in the Macotic Marshes, and there a son was born to Lamfhind, Eber Glunfhind: [white marks which were on his knees]. He it is who was chieftain after his father.” (84)

“It is that Brath who came out of the Marshes along the Torrian Sea to Crete and to Sicily.” (85)

Eber may be the root word for Hebrew used in conjunction with Eber Scot in the Lebor Gabala Erren upon departure from Egypt. Crete is the largest Greek Island and Sicily is “the largest island in the Mediterranean Sea.” (86) The Torrian Sea is representative of the Mediterranean, but in modernity delineates the Tyrrhenian Sea off Etruria (Central Italy). Proof of the diagnosis for early onset childhood dystonia and early onset childhood vitiligo in N-4 of Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O’Nolan: Connaught follows:

Boston Chelsea Naval Hospital

Clinical Record - Narrative Summary

Dr. Patterson
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Boston Chelsea Naval Hospital

Date of Admission: 10/30/67
Date of Discharge: 11/18/67
Number of Days Hospitalized: 19

“The patient was a 10 year old Caucasian male who was described by his parents as being very healthy …” (87)

“On 8 August 1967 the patient limped down the stairs holding his right foot in inversion with planter flexion with no history of trauma or no complaints of muscle cramps or pain.” (88)

“There was patchy viteligo over both anterior fibula, much more so over the left than the right. There were patchy areas of pigmentation over both knees and left buttock.” (89)

“The patient was presented to Dr. Raymond Adams at the Mass. General Hospital who concurred with the diagnosis of dystonia musculorum deformans stating that it was a classic example of another case.” (90)

“The patient was also presented to Dr. Fitzpatrick of the Mass. General Hospital (dermatologist) who felt that the skin lesions represented true vitiligo.” (91)


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Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O’Nolan is ancestral for rs2566671 (L2-) meaning it is of an older lineage, which rs2566671 (L2+) descended.

Ancestral means the older pattern before the new mutation in question occurred. Derived means the newer pattern after the mutation happened.

Derived=positive for the SNP and ancestral=negative for the SNP.

R1b1b2a2g (R1b1b2h*) (R1b1c10): M173+ M207+ M269+ M343+ P25+ rs34276300+ (S116+) U152+ (S28+) L2- L3- L4- M126- M153- M160- M18- M222- M37- M65- M73- P107- P66- SRY2627- U106- U198- S21- S26- S29-

R-U152+ or S28+ = R1b1b2a2g (R1b1b2h*) or R1b1c10 confirmed at FTDNA and EthnoAncestry

DYS 385a/b (Kittler) 17-11

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