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Glenda Davidson
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« on: February 10, 2007, 08:12:43 AM »

When should I become suspicious of the DNA test done with my uncle, a Fields donor, that does not have one Fields match but does have different surnames for two 25 marker matches indicating possible shared common ancestors.  All other matches are of different surnames - these being 1 and more markers off for 25 marker matches.  Is it time to start looking for possible (affairs outside of marriage?)   Or should I just wait for added Fields donors?
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2007, 05:30:34 PM »

How close is your match to Fields?  25 markers is a fairly low number and it may not be enough to conclusively rule in or out your relation to other tested Fields.  Upgrading to a higher test resolution might really help you.

Also, keep in mind that the name Fields may have originated in different places at different times.  It is perfectly possible that there is no "non-paternity event" in your family tree at all.  You may just be the first Field in your particular line to be tested, and, as more DNA tests are conducted over time, you may be able to eventually match someone.  Really, without a hard paper trail or a more conclusive match with another family (at a higher resolution than 25 markers), it really isn't possible to tell a whole lot at this stage.

And, finally, if, in fact, a "non-paternity event" occurred, keep in mind that there are many different types and it does NOT necessarily indicate that an affair took place.  The following is from our Frequently asked questions:
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What if I get back results I don't like, such as indications of a non-paternity event?

Non-paternity results did occur and they may be obvious through DNA testing when the result is being compared in a well-documented family. 

There are several scenarios that fit into the category of non-paternity event.  One, of course, is infidelity, while another common event was the unrecorded adoption.  As there were many adult deaths on the frontier, children were frequently raised by relatives or friends, with the adoptive parents giving the child their own last name.  Where infidelities or adoptions have long been rumored and now proven, there can be some satisfaction.  Where an infidelity or adoption occurred in a well-documented family, identifying it helps in clarifying the DNA profile of descendants.  Where the non-paternity event occurs in a family without extensive documentation, it can be very disruptive and prevent the participant from obtaining matches within the surname.

http://www.worldfamilies.net/faqs.html#What%20if%20I%20get%20back%20results%20I%20don't%20like,%20such%20as%20indications%20of%20a%20non-paternity%20event?
If you haven't already done so, I recommend posting your family tree on our pedigree forum.  All pedigrees posted on that page will be transfered to the official surname project website, so that other researchers may find you and contact you:
http://www.wfnforum.net/index.php?topic=3285.0

If you want to see the pedigrees and results of other researchers, please go to the project website.  You may find other researchers already working on the same family lines that you are:
http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/f/fields

Also, please check out our website if you want to learn more about DNA testing and genealogy at:
www.worldfamilies.net
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2007, 10:02:30 PM »

Glenda:

Biscuits offered some good counsel.  I too have no matches in the Fields Family Forum.  I submitted my DNA for the largest number of marker analysis and have been disappointed that there have been so few people to do the same.  When I get the frequent reports of matching 12 or 25 marker tests, I pretty much ignore them because of how insufficient they are.

If you're trying to obtain a practical understanding of DNA analysis, but don't have the energy to tackle the scientific jargon, I can recommend a new novel that places its protagonists (employees of the National Geographic's Genographic project) in a fast-paced race for their lives.  Very entertaining.  It's available at Amazon. The Y Factor (as in the Y chromosome) by Liam Roberts: http://www.amazon.com/Y-Factor-Liam-Roberts/dp/1602900507/ref=sr_1_1/104-5419076-8169549?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185124435&sr=8-1
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2007, 04:38:25 AM »

Realize that names often changed over time.  For example the name Meynaris migrated to England from Normandy, France sometime after 1066 and eventually became Manners.  It took several hundred years for this to happen.  One branch, a Robert Meynaris, migrated from England to Scotland around 1250 and gave military support to Scottish king Alexander.  Robert became chamberlain and later Robert and his son Alexander were given large amounts of land.  Today, the Clan, descended from Robert and Alexander is the Menzies Clan in the Central Highlands.  The z in this name is not English but Gaelic and has no equilivent in English.  The clan name should be pronounced to rhyme with "thing is" so it is "Meng is".  Today one branch in America is the Means family.  Meynaris--Manners--Menzies--Means.
An important historical fact is that William The Conqueror, from Normandy France, subdued the English king and army in 1066.  He started the Dooms Day Book for England.  His representatives went through England listing names, property, towns, etc so that he could raise an army if necessary and most important to tax people.  The result was that many people were given last names for the first time.  The name could be a location as John Meadow or an occupation such as John Cooper a barrel maker.  You will find many identical matches for your 12 marker DNA that have different last names.  The common ancestor may have lived before last names were given/taken or changed when people moved from one culture and language to another.
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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2008, 08:07:53 PM »

Glenda,
 
Have you compared your Fields DNA results with the Sizemore Family?
I've read stories of 2 sons Jedida Fields were in fact fathered by William Sizemore
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2009, 10:45:01 AM »

My Fields Line

Preston Fields b. 1795 in TN/NC/VA, m. Elizabeth Rutherford in 1817, Wise Co., VA
Robert Fields b. 1819 in VA, m. Mary Usley Reed, 2nd m. Hannah Reed
Louis/Lewis Fields b. 1844 in Pike Co., KY m. Anceline Sloas/Sluss
Robert Fields b. 1867 in KY m. Sarah Maynard
Louis/Lewis Fields b. 1895 in Laura, Martin Co., KY m. Maudie Short b. in Pound, Wise Co., VA


I am descended from Preston Fields b 1795. Who is supposed to actually be a Hamilton. I had my dad's DNA test done. (No exact Fields' matches.)

F 15 Preston Fields b. 1795 VA R1b1b2 13 24 14 11 12 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 9 11 11 25 14 19 30 15 16 16 17 11 11 19 22 16 15 18 17 36 36 12 12   

He does match to a few Hamiltons, but their lines don't connect yet.
Group R http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/g/a/gah4/HamDNA/RGrps.html

H-229 89763 Archibald Hamilton, b 1781 in Cushendall, Co Antrim, Northern Ireland, d 1877 in Ontario, Canada, emigrated to Canada in 1846. H-229 is a first cousin of H-236.

H-236 92943 Same as H-229. H-236 is a first cousin of H-229.

H-282 126328 James Hamilton, b about 1796 in Ireland or Scotland, d about 1860 in Saxton, Bedford Co, PA, m Margret Foster, b about 1795 in Ireland or Scotland, d after 1870. Their son Matthew Hamilton b 1832 in PA, d 1885 in Coalmont Twp, Huntingdon Co, PA, m Sarah Horton, b 1833 in Buda, Bureau Co, IL, d 1882 in Coalmont Twp, Huntingdon Co, PA.

H-255 109958 Preston Hamilton Fields, b 1795 in KY or NC, d after 1850, m Elizabeth Rutherford in 1817 in Wise Co, VA. Preston was raised by a couple, Hiram Fields (b 1764, probably in TN) and Fanny Mays (b 1768, probably in England) but the oral tradition in the family is that Preston's biological father was a Hamilton, possibly James or William Hamilton. 

H-058 22872 Joseph Hamilton, b 1818 Ireland, d 1863 Ayrshire, Scotland, m 1843 Ann Rennie, b 1823 Linlithgow, Scotland. Son James, b 1863, Ayrshire, Scotland, d 1943 Erie Co, PA, m 1883 Elizabeth Black, b 1866 Scotland, d 1900 Rimersburg, Clarion Co, PA.

H-119 46674 Washington Hamilton, b 1833 NY, d 1860 Brownville, Jefferson Co, NY, m Louisa M Adams, b abt 1836. Further details here.
 


Other researchers have linked my Preston Fields, who married Elizabeth Rutherford, to the elusive Hiram Fields and Fanny Mays, but there is so much debate on this matter and no documentation.

I found this cemetary link for Richard Fields Cemetary in Lebanon, VA. Where a Frances Fields (w/o Richard Fields) is buried. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~varussel/cemeteries/richardfieldscem.html

First I find Richard in Washington, Co, VA.

Page 97 - Richard Fields...65 ac...in the Rich Valley on the east end of his settlement survey...Treasury Warrant...Beginning corner to Moses Belshers tract...Warrant #9829, dated December 12, 1781

Page 97 - Richard Fields...200 ac...in the Rich Valley...Commissioners Certificate...Beginning on the side of Clinch Road corner of James Crabtrees survey...April 13, 1782 - Richard Fields, assignee of John Crabtree...200 ac...on the head springs of Elkhorn branch...129 ac surveyed for John Crabtree, May 27, 1774, includes improvements, actual settlement made in 1772...August 27, 1782

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~varussel/landgrants/washcosurvbk.html

I also have Richard Fields Sr on the 1814 Russell Co, VA tax list.

Fields, Richard Sr.
Russell County
80 acres
Elk Garden north side of Clinch Mountain
60 acres
adjoining same
80 acres
adjoining same
80 acres
adjoining same
20 acres adjoining same

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~varussel/census/1814landtx.html

These locations are not too far from a previous residence of Preston's.

"Preston Fields settled on Twin Branch where Top-toe John Counts later lived, and now called the Counts Place."
http://juliemorrison.com/gen/rickles/rr01/rr01_214.htm

In Clintwood, VA.
http://books.google.com/books?id=noiiZPTGk9IC&lpg=PA7&ots=xsu1CDWA3b&dq=twin%20branch%20clintwood%20va&pg=PA7

I also found a Joseph Fields living near Cedar Creek and Possum Creek in Russell Co in 1814.

I have also tracked some Fields' from Guilford Co, NC to
Bridle Creek in Grayson Co, 179?, (sorry don't have papers in front of me). These Fields were part of the Regulator's of Hillsville, NC in the late 1760's.
http://www.tamu.edu/ccbn/dewitt/mckstmerindivid.htm

The following link is the tree of one of the Fields Regulators. If anyone connects with this tree please let me know.
 http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=fzs&id=I1669

This list of Regulators is where I find Hamiltons, Fields and Shorts all living together. As, well as Brown's, of which a few are close 34/37 DNA markers from my dad and many Pugh's are a 12/12 match, which I know is distant, but they still migrated in this group.

Does anyone have any Rutherfords at all?

Does anyone link to the infamous Chief Richard Fields died in Texas in 1827?
http://members.tripod.com/~lina_jane/fields.htm

I have found a Cherokee family with Hamiltons, Fields and Browns.
Does anyone connect with these?http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jlbrown1820/CONRAD%20FAMILY%20TREE.html

Thank you for your time,
Diana Fields diana@dianasbooks.com
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2012, 12:57:49 PM »

I too have a different surname (Drake) and have a 66/67 marker match with another member who has ancestors in the Fields line.

I'm trying to find geographic matches between our two family lines, but it has not been easy going.
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