C-3 (I2b1) DNA Test: Thomas Carson of Ireland to Pennsylvania

[Stephanie Carson Feldman]

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    * C-3 Thomas Carson, b c1740 Ulster Co Ireland,  d 1816 Washington Co PA, m Mary Smith
          o James Carson, b 1762 PA, d 1847 OH, m Nancy Stuart
          o Margaret Carson, b 1766 PA, d 1854 IN, m Thomas Cloud
          o Thomas G Carson, b 1769 PA, d 1848 PA, m Mary Gibson
                + Mary Carson, b c1771 PA, d c1849 IN, m Jesse VanDolah
                + Elizabeth Carson, b c1775 PA, d 1865 OH, m Jacob Bratton
                + William Carson, b c1777 PA, d 1857 PA, m Mary Burgess
                + Joseph Carson, b 1777 PA, d 1858 IN, m Mary Scott
                + Sarah Carson, b 1779 PA, d 1853 PA, m Parker Scott
                + Lydia Carson, b c1781 PA, d 1853, m Mr. McDonald
                + Rebecca Carson, b c1784 PA
                + John Clarkson Carson, b 1788 PA, d 1855 PA, m Elizabeth Springer
                      # John Springer Carson, b 1823 PA, d 1882 PA, m Margaret Jones
                            * Isaac Carson, b 1846 PA, d 1932 PA, m Lorinda Frye
                                  o Carl Bernard Carson, b 1880 PA, d 1943 PA m Iona Belle Riggs

[Stephanie Carson Feldman]

Here's the larger tree, there is more information for Thomas' daughters too, now THAT's a lot of descendants!!!

    * C-3 Thomas Carson, b c1740 Scotland,  d 1816 Washington Co PA, m Mary Smith - Rich Carson [richcarson AT airbridge.net]
          o James Carson, b 1762 PA, d 1847 OH, m Nancy Stuart
          o Margaret Carson, b 1766 PA, d 1854 IN, m Thomas Cloud
          o Thomas G Carson, b 1769 PA, d 1848 PA, m Mary Gibson
                + Elizabeth Carson, b 1792, d 1868, m James Young
                + Thomas Gibson Carson, b 1794, d 1880, m1 Elizabeth Scott, m2 Esther McIlvaine
                      # Thomas Carson, b 1817, d 1858, m Elizabeth Rich
                      # Parker S Carson, b 1819, d 1878, m Margaret Carson
                            * Sarah Elizabeth Carson, b 1845, d 1869
                            * Elgy Springer Carson, b 1852, d 1932, m Ruth Morton
                                  o Laura Alquippa Carson, b1876, d 1935, m Simon Williams
                                  o Elgy Herbert Carson, b 1879, d 1951, m Maude Smallwood
                                  o Cecelia Ruth Carson, b 1885, d 1968, m Simon Brownstetter
                                  o Joella Carson, b 1887, d 1965, m William Foreman
                                  o Rolla Herman Carson, b 1889, d 1953, m Edith Allman
                                  o Anna Belle Carson, b 1891, d 1961, m Glen Martin
                                  o John Parker Carson, b 1897, d 1975, m1 Anna Phillip, m2 Ruth Yung
                            * John Albert Carson, b 1855, d 1918, m Lizzie Williams
                                  o Nora Woneta Carson, b 1880, d 1923, m Walter Carson
                                  o Carl Curtis Carson, b 1882, d 1914, m Ethel Nelson
                                  o Oscar Parker Carson, b 1885, d 1974, m1 Ethel Sampson, m2 Harriet Johnson, m3 Grace Morton
                                  o Carrie Estella Carson, b 1887, d 1975, m Earl Nelson
                                  o John Russell Carson, b 1890, d 1933, m Ruth Hannen
                                  o Jo Reece Carson, b 1893, d 1961, m Bertha Hannen
                                  o Abram Shanton Carson, b 1896, d 1987, m Margaret Hodge
                                  o Mac V Carson, b 1898, d 1948, m Louise Eberhardt
                                  o Alice Mae Virginia Carson, b 1899, d 1991, m Enoch Nelson
                                  o Luella Blanche Carson, b 1901, d 1978, m Van Bryan Brewer
                            * Thomas Gibson Carson, b 1857, d 1892, m Louisa Robison
                                  o Delbert Robison Carson, b 1879, d 1931, m Maude Thompson
                                  o Eva Wyona Carson, b 1882, d 1933, m Charles VanVoorhis
                                  o Lillie Blanche Carson, b 1883, d 1987, m Samuel Sharpnack
                                  o Louetta Louise Carson, b 1886, d 1918, m David Stewart
                                  o Leroy W Carson, b 1891, d 1927
                            * Mary Josephine Carson, b 1860, d 1945, m Ira Blythe
                      # Charlotte Carson, b 1821, d 1900, m Joseph Rider
                      # George Washington Carson, b 1824, d 1889, m Elizabeth Alllman
                            * Nancy A Carson, b 1852, d 1902, m Peter Miller
                            * Thomas Henry Carson, b 1853, d 1901, m Ada Jenkins
                            * Margery Carson, b c1855 d 1882, m Levi Winnett
                            * Johanna Carson, b c1858 d 1880, m William Blythe
                            * Frances Carson, b 1863, d 1934, m Frank Jones
                            * Elizabeth Carson, b c1866, d 1938, m John Nelson
                      # Jackson Carson, b 1827, d 1894, m Mary Carson
                            * Isaac Newton Carson, b 1855, d 1927, m Margaret Carson
                                  o Paul Edgar Carson, b 1885, d 1954, m Rosina Heller
                                  o Violet Velma Carson, b 1896, d 1958, m Herman Christopher
                            * John Wesley Carson, b 1858, d 1935, m1 Caroline Jane Carson, m2 Myrtle Clark
                                  o L V Carson, b 1886, d 1942
                      # John Carson, b 1830, d 1898, m Hannah Rider
                            * Esther Elizabeth Carson, b 1857, d 1912, m Thomas Duvall
                            * Annette Isabelle Carson, b 1861, d 1930, m Jacob Duvall
                            * Joseph Alexander Carson, b 1864, d 1934, m Mary Murphy
                                  o Clara Alberta Carson, b 1897, d 1993
                                  o Alma Murphy Carson, b 1889, d 1997
                      # Lucy Ann Carson, b 1832, d 1864, m Jerome Grable
                      # Sarah Carson, b 1835, d 1902
                      # Alexander Scott Carson, b 1838, d 1921, m1 Annetta Hannen, m2 Elizabeth Meyers
                            * Walter Carson b 1879, d 1952, m1 Nora Carson, m2 Grace Washabaugh
                            * Jesse Frederick Carson, b 1883, d 1972, m Mary Porter
                            * Ross Myers Carson, b 1886, d 1974, m Iva Sutherland
                            * Harry Fell Carson, b 1889, d 1969, m Sevilla Chester
                            * Clarence Elmer Carson, b 1891, d 1918, m Luella Work
                + Mary Carson, b 1796, d 1881, m1 John Grable, m2 Charles Farquhar
                + James Smith Carson, b 1800, m Dorcas Redd
                      # John B Carson,
                      # Jefferson Carson
                      # Julia Carson, m Mr Shipman
                      # Joel G Carson, b c1824, m Elmira Greenlee
                      # Thomas Greenlee Carson, b 1825, m Beersheba Mitchell
                            * Charles J Carson, m Mae
                                  o Pearl Carson, m Mr. Johnson
                                  o Clare Carson
                                  o Wayne Carson
                                  o Ray Carson
                                  o Nan Carson
                            * Clarence Carson, m Jennie Scott
                            * James Greenlee Carson, m Dorcas Redd
                                  o Thomas Carson, m Mary Gibson
                            * Joel Grable Carson, b c1848
                            * Oella Josephine Carson, b 1852, d 1936, m Isaac Mitchell
                            * Alvin J Carson, b c1856, m America Cole
                            * John B Carson, b 1866, m Margaret Koons
                + John B Carson, b 1802, d 1872, m Sarah Scott
                      # Newton Carson, b 1832, d 1887, m Elizabeth
                      # Mary Carson, b 1833, d 1913, m Jackson Carson
                      # Sarah Jane Carson, b c1834, m Firman Cowell
                      # Smith Carson, b 1836, d 1907, m1 Amanda McMillan, m2 Elmira Blythe
                            * Charlie M Carson, b 1873, d 1896
                            * M Barkley Carson, b 1875, d 1897
                            * Mack Robert Carson, b 1877, d 1967
                            * Lewis Carson, b 1839, m Hannah Rider
                            * John B Carson, b 1848, d 1924, m Melissa Duvall
                                  o Bertha Leona Carson, b 1876, d 1949, m Dudley Orr
                                  o Val Clyde Carson, b 1878, d 1949, m Ida Wirth
                                  o Sarah Mabel Carson, b 1880, d 1968, m David Eshleman
                                  o John Parker Carson, b 1882, d 1958, m Mabel Woodward
                                  o Viola Isabelle Carson, b 1888, d 1987, m Orr Swinehart
                                  o Jefferson Patterson Carson, b 1891, d 1966, m Helen Rarick
                                  o Myrtle Elmira Carson, b 1893, d 1986, m Ward Ramseyer
                                  o Harold A Carson, b 1899, d 1971, m June Hartel
                            * Jerome G Carson, b 1852, d 1933, m Isabel Fry
                                  o Lydia May Carson, b 1876, m Amandus Stauffer
                                  o Alonzo B Carson, b 1886, d 1978, m Edith Landis
                                  o Vol S Carson, b 1889, d 1965, M Nora Beeler
                                  o Norman Fry Carson, b 1891, d 1973, m Bessie Hunter
                      # Anna Carson, b 1807, d 1866, m John Grable
                      # Charlotte Carson, b 1809, d 1863, m John B Carson
          o Mary Carson, b c1771 PA, d c1849 IN, m Jesse VanDolah
          o Elizabeth Carson, b c1775 PA, d 1865 OH, m Jacob Bratton
          o William Carson, b c1777 PA, d 1857 PA, m Mary Burgess
                + John B Carson, b c1803, d 1887, m1 Ruth McIllvaine, m2 Charlotte Carson
                      # Mary Carson, b c1829, d 1851
                      # Peter Jackson Carson, b c1831 d 1865, m Mary Grimes
                            * Anna Eliza Carson
                      # Sarah Carson, b 1835, d 1858
                + William Carson, b c1804
                + Lucy Carson b 1805, d 1861, m Peter Shepler
                + Henry Carson, b c1808, m Mary McCall
                      # Ellis Carson, b c1832
                      # Lucy Carson, b c1836, m Bill Roberts
                      # Peter Carson, b 1838, m Elizabeth Kelly
                            * William Carson
                            * Harrison Carson, b 1865
                            * Leonard Cavastine Carson, b 1871
                                  o David Carson, m Margaret
                            * Eives V Carson, b 1877
                      # William Carson, b c1841
                      # John Springer Carson, b c1843, m Sarah Forsyth Lemon
                            * James G Carson
                            * Howard Carson, b c1869
                            * William Johnson Carson, b 1883, m Lois Mabel Iley
                      # Leonard Carson, b c1844
                      # Isaac Newton Carson, b c1849
                + Elizabeth Carson, b c1810
                + Mary Carson, b c1812
                + James Carson, bc1813
                + Annie Carson, b c1816
                + Sarah Carson, b c1816, m Newton Springer
          o Joseph Carson, b 1777 PA, d 1858 IN, m Mary Scott
                + James Carson, b 1798, d 1871
                      # Henry Carson
                + Thomas Carson, b 1801
                      # Margaret A Carson, b c1829
                      # Joseph C Carson, b 1831, m Lydia
                            * Nancy J Carson b c1853
                            * Martha E Carson, b c1859
                            * John A Carson, b c1865
                            * Joseph Frank Carson, b 1866
                            * Mary E Carson, b c1869
                            * William R Carson, b 1872
                            * Augustus Carson, b 1874
                      # Mary Carson, b c1832, d 1890, m George Crosson
                      # James P Carson, b 1837, m1 Mary C, m2 Sarah Means
                            * William C Carson, b 1879
                            * David E Carson, b 1881
                            * Charles A Carson, b 1884
                            * Cory E Carson, b 1886
                            * Jacob J Carson, b 1892
                      # Andrew Carson, b 1840, d 1906, m Ardelia Ward
                            * Lillie Carson
                            * Willie Carson
                            * James Harry Carson, b 1876, d 1943, m Nellie Johnson
                            * Noah Frederick Carson, b c1878, d 1918, m Eda Heiser
                            * Katie Carson, b 1887
                      # Martha C Carson, b 1843, m David Cotton
                      # Michael E Carson, b c1846
                + Martha Carson, b 1802, d 1865, m Tillman Rich
                + Alexander Carson, b 1803, d 1880, m1 Mary Wells, m2 Mary Morphew
                      # Nancy Carson, b 1827, d 1893, m Minor Oldham
                      # Parker Scott Carson, b 1829, d 1900, m Mary Catharine Moore
                            * John Franklin Carson, b 1854, d 1910, m Mary Pressly
                                  o John Pressly Carson
                                  o Helen Marie Carson, b 1885, m Claude Tuck
                                  o Mary Adelaide Carson, b 1888, d 1916
                                  o Frederic Carson, b 1897, d 1970, m1 Mary McKenzie, m2 Lutie Wilson
                            * Charles Samuel Carson, b 1857, d 1902, m Emma Wilson
                            * Thomas Alexander Carson, b 1857, d 1911, m Ida Porter
                                  o Edith Carson, b c1885, m John Brewer
                                  o Edna Pearl Carson, b 1890, d 1975, m Oran Wilson
                                  o Mary Ann Carson, b c1896, m William Philpott
                            * Mary Eliza Carson, b 1859, d 1941
                            * William Ransdell Carson, b 1862, d 1925, m Ethel Hartman
                            * Howard Oliver Carson, b 1866, d 1909, m Mary Dowdigan
                                  o John Carson
                                  o Marian Carson
                                  o Ralph M Carson, b 1896
                            * Edgar Moore Carson, b 1874, d 1941, m Sarah Davidson
                                  o Raymond Edgar Carson, b 1899, d 1959, m Doris Jones
                      # Thomas W Carson, b 1831, d 1856, m Mary Batz
                      # Lucy Carson, b 1834, d 1903, m William Bragunier
                      # Joseph L Carson, b 1836, d 1899, m Nancy Smith
                            * William Carson
                            * Erasthmus T Carson, b 1865, d 1915, m Floy Salts
                            * Samuel A Carson, b c1868
                            * Joseph P Carson, b c1869
                            * Grace Alice Carson, b 1877, d 1906
                      # Alexander G Carson, b 1838, d 1925, m Mary Rabourn
                            * William S Carson, b c1864, m Lorine Trout
                                  o Isabel Carson
                                  o Goldie Carson
                                  o Winifred Carson
                                  o Andrew Carson
                            * Ida B Carson, b c1865, m Ot Herrel
                      # James Knox Polk Carson, b 1845, d 1920, m Indiana Rabourn
                            * Orlando Howard Carson, b 1870, d 1935, m Ellen Sundstrum
                                  o Leslie James Carson
                            * Lillian May Carson, b 1872, m William Gaskill
                            * Ora Mabel Carson, b 1873, d 1891
                            * Bertha Rosetta Carson, b 1877, d 1933, m Emanuel King
                            * Mary Olive Carson, b 1882, d 1911, m Albert Mills
                      # Malinda J Carson, b 1847, d 1920, m Robert Forbes
                      # Margaret E Carson, b 1849, m Harrison Hancock
                      # Mary C Carson, 1852, d 1876, m Andrew Sheets
                      # Jerome Grable Carson, b 1854, d 1902, m Martha Elnore Piner
                            * Roscoe P Carson, b 1886, d 1965
                            * Emerald Carson, b 1889
                            * Theresa Glenn Carson, b 1890
                            * Leslie Ward Carson, b 1893, d 1976, m Yvonne Williams
                            * Ralph Waldo Carson, b 1898, d 1939, m Irene Byers
                      # Elvira Summers Carason, b 1857, d 1936, m William Wright
                + William Scott Carson, b 1805, d 1873, m Elizabeth Maze
                      # Rebecca Carson, b 1834, d 1861, m Michael Hittle
                      # Nancy Carson, b 1835, d 1897
                      # Jane Carson, b 1836, d 1921, m Daniel Shawhan
                      # Hannah Carson, b 1838, d 1897
                      # John Carson, b 1838, m Mary Ammons
                            * Florence Bertha Carson, b 1872, m Elver Gordon
                            * Vista Mae Carson, b 1883, d 1962, m Daniel Newkirk
                      # Smith Carson, b 1843, d 1881, m Susan Morgan
                            * Oliver M Carson, b c1878
                            * Adaline B Carason, b 1881, m Owen Rotan
                            * William Carey Carson, b 1887
                      # Mary Carson, b c1846
                      # William Maze Carson, b c1849
                + Mary Carson, b 1808, d 1890, m Andrew Power
                + Margaret Carson, b 1810, d 1898, m Thomas B Maze
                + Joseph Carson, b 1813, m1 Ceritha Kidwell, m2 Saritha Clemmons
                      # Jacob S Carson, b c1836, m1 Elizabeth Witten, m2 Mary
                            * Joseph L Carson, b 1858, m Magdelina Grisslen
                            * Josephine Carson, b 1859, d 1918, m John Brown
                            * James M Carson, b c1862
                            * Millie Carson, b c1864
                            * Mary J Carson, b 1866, d 1895
                            * Lydia Annie Carson, b 1868, d 1935, m Levi Brown
                            * David Carson, b c1870, m Lili
                      # Mary J Carson, b c1840
                      # Andrew Carson b c1842
                      # James William Carson, b 1846, m Mary Ehman
                            * Lydia S Carson, b c1868
                            * John W Carson, b c1869
                            * Martha Ann Carson, b 1884, m Alva Page
                            * Appelas Saritha Carson, b 1888
                      # Louisa Carson, b c1854
          o Sarah Carson, b 1779 PA, d 1853 PA, m Parker Scott
          o Lydia Carson, b c1781 PA, d 1853, m Mr. McDonald
          o Rebecca Carson, b c1784 PA
          o John Clarkson Carson, b 1788 PA, d 1855 PA, m Elizabeth Springer
                + Mary Carson, b 1816, d 1867, m Abraham VanVoorhis
                + John Springer Carson, b 1823 PA, d 1882 PA, m Margaret Jones
                      # Isaac Carson, b 1846 PA, d 1932 PA, m Lorinda Frye
                            * Noah Frye Carson, b 1873,d 1935, m Mary Agnes Dunlap
                            * John Springer Carson, b 1875, d 1957
                            * Van Clarkson Carson, b 1878, d 1940
                            * Carl Bernard Carson, b 1880 PA, d 1943 PA m Iona Belle Riggs
                            * O Della Carson, b 1882, d 1964
                            * Charles Raymond Carson, b 1884, d 1942, m Martha Gillingham
                            * Edgar Carson, b 1886, d 1955, m Clara Langford
                            * Anna Elizabeth Carson, b 1889, d 1969
                + Margaret Carson, b 1825, d 1874, m Parker S Carson
                + Elizabeth Carson, b c1828, m Noah Fry
                + Sarah Ann Carson, b 1830, d 1894, m William Allman
                + Caroline C Carson, b 1835, d 1890, m George Hazen

[jayfredcarsonjr]

That's a lot.....lol, I am a 5th Great Grandson, 8th generation, let me give you some more.

Your list
Thomas
Thomas G.
Thomas Gibson**
Alexander Scott**
Jesse Frederick** 1883-1972

add:

Jesse Frederick Jr.** b1909 d1993 m1931 Emma Jane Richards b1905 d1983
.....Jay Fred Carson b 1934 d2003 m1958 Joyce Marilyn Kostal b1940
.........Jay Fred Carson Jr. b1960 m1997 Lori Ann Lortie b1963
.........Debra Joyce Carson b1962 m1987 Jacob Franklin Carlton b1960
.....Elvira Jane Carson b 1938 d2007 m1956 William Brandt b1934 d2003
 

Thomas traveled from Scotland to Ulster Ireland about 1760 with two un-named brothers and a sister named Elizabeth Carson.  They sailed from Ulster to the US on a ship named the Gale, and it is believed they landed in Philadelphia.  Thomas traveled to Fallowfield Township in present day Bentleyville, Washington County.  Thomas has an official will registered with the county and his son Thomas Jr. also, which is why his adult living children and grandchildren names are well recorded.  I have typed copies of each.  Your record has Thomas "Jr." listed as Thomas "G", the "G" in not correct he had no middle name.  The "G"  comes from the son Thomas Gibson Carson.  Thomas had a farm registered in the PA land records, Thomas and Thomas Jr. are buried in unmarked graves somewhere on the fence line of that farm.  The family cemetery is also along the old fence line and Thomas Gibson and most of the grandchildren to 5 generations are buried there, it is Maple Creek Cemetery**[/b] and is still active.

Also:
Thomas Gibson Carson and wife 1 Elizabeth Scott are first cousins, they were married and all the children are theirs.

Thomas Carson and Mary Smith are listed in the Bicentennial Publishing of the Daughters of the American Revolution on, I believe, page 103.  Thomas is listed as a private in the PA Infantry.

Elizabeth Scott is the daughter of Sarah Carson 1779-1853 (daughter of Thomas Carson b1740 and Mary Smith ) and Parker Scott.  Sarah and Parker are listed in you chart but Elizabeth is not listed as their daughter.

These were the only errors I found in your record.

jayfcarson@gmail.com    posted 3.28.2008

[Stephanie Carson Feldman]

This Carson line is I2b1, Nordic.  It does not connect with the R1b1 lines for many thousands of years back.

C-9, C-11, and C-12 are 35/37 matches and C-34 is a 33/37 match so their common ancestor could be within a thousand years, but the paper trail has not yet confirmed who it is and likely never will.

Further speculation on Haplogroup I - Lineage I-A should go here:
http://www.worldfamilies.net/forum/index.php?topic=8398.0

[jayfredcarsonjr]

Exciting Discover - Update

In my March 2008 posting I told of a family story that the 1 and 2 generation Thomas Carson b1740 wife and son Thomas (Jr.)b179 were buried on the fence line of the original family farm in unmarked graves. (note: Thomas Jr. is misnamed on the above posting as Thomas G. Carson)

Well apparently this family story is flat wrong. Last week for the first time I made contact with a third cousin of mine from Maryland.  It turns out she has recently found the grave site of 2ed USA Generation Thomas Carson (Jr) Esq. b1769 d Jan 17,1848 and wife Mary Gibson Carson b 1770 d Feb 11, 1851.

She sent me pictures of the grave stones, they are easily readable and dates and names match.  The location is only a few miles north of the original family farm.  Thomas (jr) and Mary Gibson's grave are located in the old Horseshoe Baptist Church Cemetary, Charleroi, PA.

The cemetery has a web site and below are pics of the stone markers.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pawashin/cemetery/horseshoe-baptist-cemetery_2/s2_carson_thomas.JPG

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pawashin/cemetery/horseshoe-baptist-cemetery_2/s2_carson_thomas.JPG

There are at least 3 stones there also of Thomas Jr Grandchildren, it is very likely that Thomas and Mary Smith Carson maybe there.  Hopefully this summer I will be in PA and be able to check this out in person. 

[Stephanie Carson Feldman]

Thank you for posting cemetery information.  I hope you can go and get better shots.  Bright sunny days are bad for gravestone photos, I can't read these stones accurately at all.  It's too bad the links don't work well either, but some of them you can type in the title and another photo will appear, some are bad links.

I have web page storage where I can upload copies of any photos you get, and we can link to them here.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pawashin/cemetery/horseshoe-baptist-cemetery-index.html

[jayfredcarsonjr]

Stephanie = I noticed a change in the title of the I1b1 Carsons from Nordic to Southeastern Europe. I was just curious what changes lead to this correction/change.

[jayfredcarsonjr]

OK I am putting my test in the mail today, I am expecting a match with C-3.