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jmain
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« on: September 26, 2006, 11:17:04 AM »

I have Scottish ancestry and was surprised to discover that I belong to the J2 haplogroup, a somewhat rare haplogroup in Scotland, as 80% of Scots are in the R1b haplogroup. I am a neophyte in this area, and would appreciate any information concerning the reason for the appearance of J2 in Scotland. The little research I have done to date indicates that this might have been brought to Scotland by Roman soldiers who were garrisoned around Hadrian's wall. J2 spread primarily from the Fertile Crescent to the Mediterranean area.
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Tony Costa
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2006, 05:58:08 PM »

Hello friend.

My name is Tony Costa. I'm born and live in Brazil.
In this Hyplogroup J2 there are in Jew and not Jew.
I recomends what you looking for in your family jewish registry, like some traditions watching in your relatives, grandfathers, etc...
I'm sorry my English.Is very poor.

Good Night

Tony da Costa
Brasilia- Brazil
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2006, 04:11:28 PM »

Enter your markers in www.smgf.org, you might find a hit. Have you done an SNP test to confirm the J2?

Here's a site that predicts your Haplogroup by the markers you enter:

http://home.comcast.net/~whitathey/predictorinstr.htm

Good luck.

Cliff
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2007, 12:32:48 AM »

Hi. You're not alone. My Worden Y-DNA Project (here at WFN and at FTDNA) shows ten of our participants are in J2 (actually J2e1). Their MRCA is a descendant of Peter>Peter>Robert>William b. c 1500 in England, probably in Lancashire County, according to our paper trail. Perhaps our ancestors were Roman soldiers together!

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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2007, 03:21:50 PM »

I have Scottish ancestry and was surprised to discover that I belong to the J2 haplogroup, a somewhat rare haplogroup in Scotland, as 80% of Scots are in the R1b haplogroup. I am a neophyte in this area, and would appreciate any information concerning the reason for the appearance of J2 in Scotland. The little research I have done to date indicates that this might have been brought to Scotland by Roman soldiers who were garrisoned around Hadrian's wall. J2 spread primarily from the Fertile Crescent to the Mediterranean area.

What puzzles me is why the Y DNA J people are so rare in Scotland, whereas mtDNA J is the 2nd commonest mitochondrial haplogroup in Europe after H(elena), and quite common in Scotland and Ireland. They are both supposed to have their origins in the Fertile Crescent. We are told that the first Neolithic farmers in Europe were of mtDNA J descent, but what was their Y DNA?

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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2007, 11:40:07 PM »

Roman armies would defeat a people and immediately gather the artists, mathematicians, etc to work for Rome.  If they refused they might be killed or enslaved.  Also, at times they would hire professional soldiers or mercenaries from other nations to fight for them.  It was quit common for Roman calvary to be none-Roman.
There were many merchants from countries like Syria, Spain etc that conducted business with the Roman Army.  The English have unearthed graves with Syrians that date to the Roman occupation.
When the Roman Empire began to crumble, many generation later, the armies retreated back toward Rome but the descendents remained in the country.  After a dozen generations they were home and had no reason to leave.
The difference between mtDNA and YDNA occurred because men like the Vikings would attack a village, killing the local men, then settle and make homes in their newly conquered territory.  The woman remaining, with no men, were available and eventually became their women. 
A good example is the Norman knights and soldiers with William the Conquerer who conquered England during 1066 and later years often picked Anglo-Saxon wives for diplomatic reasons. 
The scottish Menzies Clan, originally Norman, gave military service to Scottish King Alexander II and became thoroughtly gaelic after 2-3 hundred years of gaelic marriages.  However their Y chromosome was still Norman or Viking while their mtDNA, men and women might be gaelic.  Hope this helps, Joe L Fields 
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2015, 04:59:58 PM »

Hi Everyone...

Our BLANKENSHIP family is not in Scotland but England - and we've encountered the same results.

My maternal Grandmother was a BLANKENSHIP and we had our BLANKENSHIP y-DNA tested in Jan 2014 to prove we were Blankenships so imagine our surprise when we only matched one other Blankenship in the Blankenship Project and we could both trace our family back to one Ralph Blankenship who immigrated to the States back in the late 1600s...

I had had my DNA tested with a major company back in 2009 and found out that  I had Jewish markers from my mother's side - but then I was told that her paternal name of Chaffin was Jewish... OK but that wasn't matching up for me because they all had the R1b1 Haplogroup in the Chaffin project...

SO THEN when our Blankenship came back as J2 we were absolutely blown away!!!
WE HAVE BEEN in the western part of VA that became Cabell & Wayne Co, WV for over 200 years... so how could we be Jewish???

Then I started looking at my cousin's top 25 matches - and once again we were a group of 2 with the Blankenship surname and most of the rest were WARDs or Warden, Wardle, Worley, Wardlow/Wadlow and Wooten...

Just about 2 months ago it finally dawned on me that I was trying to fit a square peg into a round hole... all of the other people were not in the wrong place but WE WERE!!!

So I contacted one of the others with the surname of WARD who told me about that we were Syrian Jews who had been in the British Isles since the days of the Roman Conquests... and that when surnames began to be used we were given the name of WARD... which means guard... due to what we had done in the Roman Army.

Little by little various ones began to dis-associate themselves with the WARD name with subtle changes - by adding EN or LE or changing the A to an O... and then it hit me... our BLANKENSHIPS just chucked the whole WARD name and took the name from the Castle close by - BLENKENSOPP... to BLANKENSHIP... so YES I do consider us BLANKENSHIPs because we have used the name for over a thousand years now... but our DNA is Jewish...

Would love to correspond with others in the same boat... to see what you've heard in your quest to find your ancestors and who you really are...
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