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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2007, 08:25:45 PM »

Angelee Mullins
T1 mtDNA sequence:  
"16126C 16163G 16186T 16189C 16294T 16519C"   
"73G 152C 195C 263G 309.1C 315.1C"


Judy Canute (cir. 1770-1780) Unknown
Molly Cornett (cir. 1790-1800) M. Samuel Long aka Polly, Mary Schnute- Grayson County, Virginia
Children:
Rhoda Long (1823); Anada Emaline Long (Abt 1831); Lucinda Long (1836)
Charlotta Long (Abt 1820-1897) b-Virginia M. David Cox Phipps  
Zilphia Ann Phipps (1856-1927)Russell County, Virginiam. Harvey Vanover
Gracie Vanover (1895-1986) Dickenson County m B.H. Rose
Eva Nell Rose (1919-1999)Dickenson County m Paul A. Mullins
Angelee Mullins (private)

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« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2007, 11:04:43 PM »

Glad to see the renewed interest in T1 !!

Hi Mike & Susan.   Please join the T1 project at FTDNA, so that we can more easily include you in our research.  Here's how:

To join the T1 project
1.   click on the square blue "join" icon to the right of your name and kit number. 
2.   Then, look to the bottom of the page, where you'll find a heading "mt Haplogroup Projects"  Select "T 3" (this is a listing of all mt projects under the letter T)
3.   then select "T1"   Now,  select the gray join button which is lower on the page. 
 
Or, you can contact FTDNA and ask them to transfer you.

Hi Barbara, Anne, Mark & Curren.  Thanks for joining the T1 project at FTDNA.  It's a lot of work to organize a project like this and your joining simplifies our work.  We'll get your pedigree added to the T1 Matriarch page as quickly as we can. 

Hi Clanmother Tara.  Does your signature indicate an honorarium - or an intent to pull us all together?  You can join FTDNA and then join the T1 project (info just above).  Here's how:

You can transfer yourself, your results and your retained sample from NGGP to Family Tree DNA.  Go to your NGGP page and look towards the bottom for a small link called "Learn More".  Click through the links and eventually you'll join Family Tree DNA.  Once you have done that, you'll be able to join the T1 project, (info above).

Hi Angelee.  Can you please edit your pedigree to provide any known locations.  Also - please join the T1 project at FTDNA, so that we can more easily include you in our research. 

thanks,  Terry
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« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2007, 05:53:51 PM »

George L. Weaver, Kit #17980

Direct Descendants of Mary Ann Lee
            
   1     Mary Ann Lee   b: 1829 in Georgia   d: 04 Nov 1850 in Butts County, GA   
..      2     Mary Jane Hoard   b: 04 Nov 1850 in Butts County, GA   d: 21 Feb 1904 in Butts County, GA   
...................   3     Mary Ellen Brownlee   b: 07 Nov 1869   d: 24 Jun 1932 in Butts County, GA   
...................   3     Martha Callondona Brownlee   b: 13 Mar 1871   d: 26 Mar 1954   ...................   
...................   3     Addie Alberta Brownlee   b: 20 Nov 1874   d: 22 Jun 1969 in Butts County, GA   
...................   3     Tennie Catherine Brownlee   b: 20 Sep 1877 in Butts County, GA   d: 18 Aug 1942 in Butts County, GA   
...................   3     Rose Virginia Brownlee   b: 03 Jun 1879 in Butts County, Georgia   d: 01 Dec 1964 in Butts County, Georgia.......................
                                       4     Sarah Jane Etheredge   b: 20 Nov 1910 in Butts County, Georgia   d: 24 Mar 2002 in Butts County, GA..............           4     Marjorie Anne Etheredge   b: 03 Apr 1920 in Butts County, Georgia      
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« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2007, 10:55:07 AM »

Orpha M. McDowell, B: Sept. 17, 1860,
Beulah May Hampton, B: Mar. 2, 1897 KS m Richard Ray Robinson
Althea Gertrude Robinson, B: Nov. 12 1918 Peublo, CO. m Eldon S. Gebaroff.
Linda Lee Gebaroff, B: May 25, 1950 Seattle, WA
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« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2007, 07:16:55 PM »

From George Wambaugh, Jr. MD, Kit 3312, LGaia@comcast.net
Descendants of Anna
1 Anna
.. +Josef Pranke
. 2 Helen Pranke 1855 - b: 05 Aug 1855 in Poland
..... +August Wegeng
.... 3 Rose Wegeng
........ +Albert Kleine
.... 3 Anna Wegeng 1891 - b: 13 May 1891 in Baltimore, Maryland
........ +William McPherson Wood
....... 4 Virginia Wood
....... 4 Helen Wood b: in Baltimore, Maryland
........... +John Redmond
....... *2nd Husband of Helen Wood:
........... +Albert Hickman
.......... 5 Mary Verna Hickman  b Maryland
.............. +John Denham Fleshman
....... 4 Verna Martha Wood 1917 - 1983 b: 15 Jul 1917 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
........... +George Wilmar Wambaugh, Sr.
.......... 5 George Wilmar Wambaugh, Jr., MD - b: Maryland
.............. +Letitia Louise Greene Private 
.... 3 Margaret Wegeng 1893 - 1973 b: 15 Dec 1893 in Arlington Maryland
.... 3 Matilda Lillian Wegeng 1897 - b: 07 Sep 1897

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« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2007, 08:28:25 AM »

Hi Terry, as discussed and invited on ISOGG forum.

My T1 is:

16126C, 16163G, 16186T, 16189C, 16294T (based on the first 400
bases only). A 2001 Oxford Ancestor's "Matriline" Test

My direct maternal line goes back to Elizabeth ROBERTS, born about 1818 (unknown), but in the 1840's was living in Handworth, Staffs, ENG (now part of Birmingham).

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« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2007, 12:18:11 PM »

I updated the T1 project yesterday, adding you and 4 others to the results page.  Terry
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« Reply #32 on: November 08, 2007, 02:17:23 AM »

- rcaleca@verizon.net


T1 Pedigree
Concetta Troccola (Trocolle) b - ca1834 in Italy (Basilicata ??), m Giovanni Durso - 2nd great grandmother
                    Eva Angela Durso - b ca 1874 in Italy, d March 11 1937, m Pietro Iula
                    Concetta Durso - m Giuseppe Cestaro

Ava Agnelina (Evangeline) Durso - b ca 1874 or 1875 in Italy, m Pietro Iula - 1st great grandmother
                    Jenny Iula - b june 12 1989 in USA, m Vincent Concelia
                    Concetta Iula - b November 2 1902 in USA, d November 28, 1937, m Pietro Iula
                    Lucille Iula - b July 27 1905 in USA, d October 25 1988, m Henry Arday
                    Josephine Iula - b February 28 1908 in USA, d April 24 1960, m Sol Vinetsky

Concetta Iula - b November 2 1901 in Brookly, NY, d November 28, 1937, m Charles Caltabellotta - grandmother
                    Marianne Caltabellotta - b October 18 1930 in Brooklyn, NY, d June 16 1971, m Anthony Caleca
                    Evangeline Caltabellota - b May 9 1932 in Brooklyn, NY, d June 30 1937, m Nicholas LaBatto

Marianne Caltabellotta - b October 18, 1930 in Brooklyn, NY, d June 16 1971, m Anthony Caleca - mother
                    


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« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2007, 01:13:44 PM »

E2665
1. Efrosinij B 1886(+-4), M Peter Tesow
2. Anna Tesowa B 29.12.1924 Kasachstan, M Dmitri Elashük
3. Alla Elashük B 09.03.1947 Moldau, M Alexandr Skripka, S Eduard E2665
3. Viktorij Elachük B 17.12.1957 Moldau, M Anatolij Krongardt
4. Anastasij Krongardt B 31.05.1984 Kasachstan
4. Olesij Krongardt B 18.01.1979 Kasachstan, M Eduard Pracht
5. Elisabet Pracht B xx.02.2004 Deutschland
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« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2008, 09:51:16 AM »

Kit # 93225

Elizabeth Burris Burroughs Abt. 1738 Orange County, NC married Thomas Estes Estridge, III
Martha Patty Estes Estridge Abt. 1763 married James Cheek
Abi Aby Cheek Abt. 1793 married William Anders Andrews, Jr.
Mary Polly Anders Andrews abt 1822 married Ambrose Ambers Willey
Frances Susan Willey 14 Jan 1856 Ashe Co., NC married Creed Columbus Carpenter
Margie Alice Carpenter 11 Apr 1891-06 Jan 1961 married Thomas Jefferson Medley
Alma Jane Medley 14 Sep 1918-05 Dec 2000 married James Guy Caudill
Alma Nanalee Caudill 01 Apr 1937-(me)

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« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2008, 11:30:11 AM »

LINDA COLLINGS 1952-    IPSWICH SUFFOLK ENGLAND
JOAN CLOUD   1922-2007 IPSWICH SUFFOLK ENGLAND
MARIE WELHAM 1898-1943 IPSWICH SUFFOLK ENGLAND
ELIZABETH HARVEY1875-1954 STOWMARKET SUFFOLK ENGLAND
JANE HAMMOND 1857-          STOWMARKET SUFFOLK ENGLAND
ELIZA DIAPER                      STOWMARKET SUFFOLK ENGLAND
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« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2008, 11:03:51 AM »

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Earliest family left Henry Co. VA abt 1801
 

Unknown m George W Rowland TN
   Rebecca Jane ROWLAND b TN abt 1804-1843 TN m George Hampton DYER
    NOTE: known brothers are David, John, George W Rowland, plus. Looking for females for DNA testing. I WILL PAY FOR full mtDNA with documentation paper trail.
     * Elizabeth GIBSON DYER b TN 1828  TN m Col.Thomas J LINTON
          Rebecca Frances Linton b Pope AR 1849 m Wm M STOKES
             Sally Ann Stokes m James Chester ROSE
             Nancy E Stokes b 1868
             Cora E Stokes b 1875
          Susan Margaret Linton b 1856 m WM Elisha MATHIS
          Martha Ann Linton b 1851 m Thomas J RICHARDSON
          Mary Malenia Molly Linton b 1854 m WM. F ROSE (Daniel Boone lineage)
             Willie Mae Rose b 1880 Milam Texas m Robert Lee HATLEY                 
              Mattie Frances Rose b 1887 m WHITE
              Dorcus Ivy Eliza Rose b 1891 m Curtis and Coffman
               Mary Etter Rose b 1893 m WM WILLOCK b 1871 and John HOLT
                    Bertie V Willock m Hudson
                    Mary M Willock m Bud McGarity
                           Betty Carol McGarity m KIERNAN and Viani
                   
          Mary Catherine DYER b 1830 Pope, AR m Wm C McCune
                     Several daughters living in Arkansas.
             

     
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« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2008, 12:48:01 PM »

Carol - glad to see my Dad's FGS perfect match now included - see if I got it right:

http://worldfamilies.net/mtdna/t1/mats.html

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« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2008, 01:42:28 PM »

Hi:  I've registered and established an account, password etc.  I'd like to add my information to the T1 pedigree section and have it appear in the Matriarch section, but I can't seem to find the page or instructions to do that.  Do I have to add a new surname first (since it's not included in what's already been posted)?

Thanks for your help.

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« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2008, 10:43:47 AM »

Sorry for the delay in answering your posting.  In order to post a pedigree:
Log in. 
Scroll down to the last posting on the pedigree forum on this page.
Find "reply" tab near the bottom right-hand corner.
Click "Reply"
Post your pedigree (or message) in the big white box
Click "Post"

This will display the pedigree on this forum page.  The project administrator will then post the pedigrees to the Matriarchs Page:  http://worldfamilies.net/mtdna/t1/mats.html

Hope that helps!
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« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2008, 10:27:15 AM »

Correction to Elizabeth Gibson Dyer -
1. Please add 2 other daughters;
  A. (Susan Margaret Linton b Pope AR 1856-1930 m William Elisha  Mathis). B. Ivey T Linton 1862 Pope AR m James F Montgomery.

2. William M (m stands for Moore please add Moore).

3. Nancy E Stokes (please add m Hopkins)

4. Mattie Florence Rose (please add m Henry Taylor White).

5. Please correct Bertie Willock (Hudson is spelled Hutson by family.

 

 


                   
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« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2008, 12:02:33 PM »

Hi, Carol.  The corrections have been made.  Thanks!

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« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2008, 04:23:37 PM »

N59166 FTDNA Kit number

T1b (known because relatives have taken high resolution tests and I match them at low resolution level.
My low resolution results are: 16126C, 16163G, 16189C,    16243C, 16294T, 16519C and I have 5 known exact matches and 1 near match in the Bahamas Project.

My email address is deirwha@hotmail.com.

My y haplogroup, fyi, is S29/U198 with earliest known ancestor in Cornwall in 1787.

John Dyer's Mitochondrial pedigree, with earliest known ancestor in the Bahamas:

Earliest known mitochondrial ancestor and great grandmother:
1. Susan Elizabeth ALBURY (b. Aug 1848 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera, d. 29 Aug 1931 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera)
sp: Vincent SAWYER, Jr. (b. 14 Apr 1855 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera, m. 8 Sep 1878 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera, d. 18 Apr 1936 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera) son of Vincent Sawyer, Sr., and Elizabeth Albury
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Grandmother:
|-2. Susan Elizabeth SAWYER (b. 26 Aug 1879 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera, d. 17 Apr 1962 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera)
---|sp: John Wellington "Sonny" HIGGS (b. 12 Feb 1873 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera, m. 2 Aug 1900 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera, d. 5 May 1956 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera)
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Mother:
-3. Diana Elizabeth HIGGS (b. 20 Jul 1918 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera; died 3/27/08 West Palm Bay, Florida)
---|---| sp: Rev. William Charles DYER (b. 10 Jun 1910 Tywardreath, Cornwall, England) d 11/11/94 West Palm Bay, Florida   

Sisters:

-3. Enid Audrey Joyce HIGGS (b. 9 Apr 1905 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera, d. 14 Oct 1926 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera)
---|---| sp: Anderson Dewey THOMPSON * (b. 24 Mar 1904 Hope Town, Abaco, d. 28 Jan 1983) son of Eli Anderson Thompson and Amy Cash
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-3. Una Christabel HIGGS (b. 27 Apr 1907 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera, d. 23 Jul 1987 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera)
---|---| sp: Ronald Edred MALONE (b. 6 Mar 1900 Hope Town, Abaco, m. 6 Mar 1924 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera, d. 11 Jan 1980 Nassau) son of Samuel Healy Malone and Varina Albury
---|---|
 

 
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« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2008, 07:43:45 PM »

KIT #123519

Antonina Vaccaro b. 1848 Palermo, Italy m. Giuseppe Incontrera
...Rosalia Incontrera b. 1878 Palermo, Italy m. Lorenzo Guttadoro
......Virginia Guttadoro b. 1896 Palermo, Italy m. Luigi La Vella
.........Francesca La Vella b. 1914 Newark NJ   
.........Rose La Vella b. 1920 Newark NJ
......Josephine Guttadoro b. 1906 Newark NJ
......Anna Guttadoro b. 1908 Newark NJ
......Olga Guttadoro b. 1911 Newark NJ
         
HVR1: 126C,163G,186T,189C,249C,256T,261T,294T,519C,559G
HVR2: 73G,263G,315.1C


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« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2008, 09:17:35 AM »

N59166 FTDNA Kit number

Any thoughts?
UPDATE.                 I have now taken high resolution mt DNA tests.  Still consistent with my Bahamian relatives.   With the addition of the high resolution data, my test results to date show mutations  16126C, 16163G, 16189C,    16243C, 16294T, 16519C, 073G, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C.  Mitosearch and FTDNA show 14 matches worldwide in 3 locations, Bahamas, Italy and Germany.
 

My email address is deirwha@hotmail.com.
 
Earliest known mitochondrial ancestor and great grandmother:
1. Susan Elizabeth ALBURY (b. Aug 1848 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera, d. 29 Aug 1931 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera)
sp: Vincent SAWYER, Jr. (b. 14 Apr 1855 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera, m. 8 Sep 1878 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera, d. 18 Apr 1936 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera) son of Vincent Sawyer, Sr., and Elizabeth Albury
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Grandmother:
|-2. Susan Elizabeth SAWYER (b. 26 Aug 1879 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera, d. 17 Apr 1962 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera)
---|sp: John Wellington "Sonny" HIGGS (b. 12 Feb 1873 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera, m. 2 Aug 1900 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera, d. 5 May 1956 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera)
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Mother:
-3. Diana Elizabeth HIGGS (b. 20 Jul 1918 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera; died 3/27/08 West Palm Bay, Florida)
---|---| sp: Rev. William Charles DYER (b. 10 Jun 1910 Tywardreath, Cornwall, England) d 11/11/94 West Palm Bay, Florida   

Sisters:

-3. Enid Audrey Joyce HIGGS (b. 9 Apr 1905 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera, d. 14 Oct 1926 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera)
---|---| sp: Anderson Dewey THOMPSON * (b. 24 Mar 1904 Hope Town, Abaco, d. 28 Jan 1983) son of Eli Anderson Thompson and Amy Cash
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-3. Una Christabel HIGGS (b. 27 Apr 1907 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera, d. 23 Jul 1987 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera)
---|---| sp: Ronald Edred MALONE (b. 6 Mar 1900 Hope Town, Abaco, m. 6 Mar 1924 Spanish Wells, Eleuthera, d. 11 Jan 1980 Nassau) son of Samuel Healy Malone and Varina Albury
---|---|
 

 
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« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2008, 01:09:11 AM »

I am Mark Vincent Hardman Wilson, kit #121670. You have me classified as T1b but as I emailed you earlier this evening, I believe I should be T1a.

Except for me in the following list, only females are shown.

Kitsey J. Frith b. c. 1800 Bermuda, m. c. 1818 David Wingood
|   Euphemia Wingood b. c. 1823 Bermuda, m. Unknown Darrell
|   Cornelia Helen Wingood, b. c. 1819 Bermuda
|   Ophelia Frances Wingood, b. c. 1820 Bermuda, m. 1853 Joseph Francis Darrell
|   Eliza Emiline 'Emily' Wingood, b. 1824 Bermuda, m. George Dickinson Jones
|   |   Emily Jones, b. c. 1860, Bermuda
|   |   Catalina Inglis 'Cattie' Jones, b. 1862 Turks Islands, m. 1888 Joseph Smith Cooper
|   |   |   Alveria Cooper, b. 1888 Bermuda, m. 1913 William Anstice Earlston Doe
|   |   |   |   Catalina Elizabeth 'Betty' Doe, b. 1917 Bermuda, m. 1940 William E. Wilson
|   |   |   |   |   Judith Barbara Wilson, b. 1944 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, m. Douglas Bucknam
|   |   |   |   |   Mark Vincent Hardman Wilson **kit 121670**, b. 1946 Toronto, Ontario,  m. 1970 Carolyn J. Cooper
|   |   |   |   |   Janet Agnes Elizabeth Wilson, b. 1950, Toronto, Ontario, m. 1973 Helmut P. Enns
|   |   |   |   Frances Elliot Doe, b. 1931 Woodville, Ontario
|   |   |   Emily Jones Cooper, b. 1892 Bermuda, m. 1916 Léonce R. Motyer
|   |   |   |   Gwenny Motyer, b. c. 1920 Bermuda
|   |   |   |   Jean Motyer, b. c. 1920 Bermuda
|   |   |   |   Myrtle Motyer, b. C. 1920 Bermuda
|   |   |   Catalina Inglis 'Tina' Cooper, b. 1896 Bermuda, m. 1924 G. Harley Hayward
|   Kitsey Jane Wingood, b. 1829 Bermuda, m. 1848 William James Francis Frith

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« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2009, 07:05:17 PM »

T1 - Kit# 145117 FTDNA  (16126C, 16163G, 16186T, 16189C, 16294T, 16519C, 73G, 152C, 183G, 195C, 215G, 263G, 315.1C) - Bev Blackwelder,  skakayk@hotmail.com

Margaret MURPHY, b 1830 Ireland, m. Michael Burns
       Mary Elizabeth (Lizzie) BURNS b 1860 Ireland, m John Joseph Lavin
              Jane/Jean Marie LAVIN b 1887, Elizabeth, Union Co, NJ, m James Joseph Newton
                     Rita Jane NEWTON b 1916, Elizabeth, Union Co, NJ, m William Holman Walker   

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« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2009, 04:03:35 PM »

Frank Gartland   fgart@rrcol.com    Kit# 93141

Results:  16126C    16163G    16186T     16189C    16294T   16519C
                73G    152C    195C   263G    315.1C

I have 953 HVR1 matches, and 67 HVR1 & HVR2 matches, so there must be some fertile ancestors somehwere!

Matriarchs:

Schone, Anna Barbara - b 1664 Germany
Blankenbaker, Anna Marie - b 1687 Germany
Kaifer, Elizabeth - b 1715  Germany
Gaar, Mary Magdalene  - b 1742 Virginia
Fisher, Mary  - b 1759  Virginia
Yeager, Elizabeth  - b 1787  Kentucky
Mattingly, Rosa  - b 1822  Kentucky
Seay, Hester  - b 1856  Kentucky
Smothers, Eva Lee,  - b 1878  Kentucky
Lewis, Lula Beatrice  - b 1914  Kentucky
Gartland, Frank (Living)  -  b 1946  Kentucky
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« Reply #48 on: September 01, 2009, 10:48:32 AM »

Leona Norvelle Benjamin 8/9/1923-10/16/2001, NY
Theodora M. Bird 1896-Jan 1969, PA
Annie M. Mitchell 6/26/1866 in Hawley, PA
Adeline Colbath b 1838 Hollisterville, PA, d 3/13/1883 Jefferson, PA
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« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2009, 06:35:31 AM »

nous avons beaucoup les ressemblance, chez moi la lignée maternelle est 1933 mère Carmen Escobar, grand-mère  1909 Daria Coc(a) et arrière grand -mère Maria Retzin(a)
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