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JimsTexas
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« on: January 27, 2005, 12:16:43 AM »

I am still trying to understand all that my Y-DNA test can tell me. Can someone tell me how they establish our Haplogroup? I am a J2 and I am not sure what ancient specimen was used to establish, that my prehistoric, J2 roots comes from a certain part of the world. I know that my Stacey/Stacy line came out of England. How do I get England out of this, Two Step Mutations J2 Syria Arab (1), 3 Step Mutations J2, Sicily (1), Syria, Uzbekistan (1). 4 Step Mutations J2, Belarus Ashkenazi (1), China Uygur (Central Asian origin)(1), Germany(1), Iran TURK (1), Poland Galicia (1), Russia Ashkenazi (1), Switzerland, Syria Arab (2), Ukraine Ashkenazi-Levite (1), Uzbekistan (1). I had the 12 marker Y-DNA test, is there another test I should have considered? I know, I am asking for a lot of information, but when the specialist explain what the test shows, they tend to complicate the results. Thanks

 


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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2005, 11:20:18 PM »

I can't help you with specifics about J2, as I am focused on R1b, but I can tell you some general things about what Y-DNA data shows or doesn't show. ?The 12 marker test is not quite satisfactory to me (for example, since R1b is such a big group), but depending on how rare your J2 haplogroup is, it may enough for you. ?As far as the way you posted the results, e.g., "Two Step Mutations J2 Syria Arab (1)", it is a very poor way of reporting and/or interpreting DNA results - I assume (and hope) they provided you with the actual repeat counts for each marker so you can interpret the results yourself or at least let someone do it for you. ? Mutations occur over time without any geographic connection. ? Yes, in general, the more steps from the modal (most common) type, the longer ago the separation occurred, but there are many reasons why even that generality is not reliable. ?Also, it is not appropriate to connect specific mutations with particular countries - that is not the way Y-DNA inheritance works. ?If ?those multistep mutations reliably identify a different ancestral line, then they should be placed in a seperate haplogroup. ? ?

You have to start with a basic understanding, that somewhere in your ancient male hereditary line (long before surnames were commonly used) was a man who had a particular set of markers (your ancestral haplotype), and that over time his descendants have inherited slight variations of that haplotype as mutations occurred. ? All his direct male-line descendants Y-DNA markers come from him, except for the random mutations that occur among the descendants and those mutations have NOTHING to do with where those descendants migrated to. ?The only real genetic connection to a geographic location would be where that man was from, and he certainly couldn't be connected to all those countries you mentioned. ?And as far as I know, none of us have a mummifed ancestor whose DNA ?has been tested for direct comparison (at least not yet, but that may be possible eventually as some very old remains have been discovered well preserved). So ,that is where the Haplogroups come in. ?Other lines who have haplotypes similar to yours may share a similar migration pattern that can be discerned from historical and archaeological records. ?There is nothing in the DNA itself that ties an individual to a geographical location, but at haplogroup (i.e., population) levels, some patterns can be discerned. ?It's based on frequency of occurence of specific DNA markers in the population. ?That is then compared to what is known from history of that population's origins, or what is suspected based on archaeological findings. ?

Hope that helps a little.
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2005, 06:23:31 PM »

Jim, you might try clicking on some of the links at the Y-Haplogroup page: http://www.worldfamilies.net/y-haplogroups.htm

or at the Freg Asked Questions page:  http://www.worldfamilies.net/faqs.htm

If you haven't browsed the main page of our site, you might find something of interest there too:  http://www.worldfamilies.net/

Terry
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2005, 09:30:59 AM »

MichaelSC and Terry thanks for the info. MichaeiSC I don't know if you are from South Carolina but the wife and I spent two days there researching our Stacy/Stacey, Purvis/Purves lines. We were in Edgefield looking for Purvis/Purves information and Spartanburg looking for Stacy/Stacey information. I have to tell you, Edgefield was one of those towns that will take you back in time, and the people were very helpful. Ya'll have a good day
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2005, 02:36:38 PM »

Wow Jim,? ? ? ? Your DNA seems to be all over the Middle East and Asia. It appears from your information that you have very strong ties DNA wise) to the Middle East. You may have a Jewish ancester somewhere in your tree. Ashkenazi (Jews from Europe),? Levite (Jews from the tribe of Levi the tribe of priests), as well as other peoples from this general neck of the woods.

Have you been in touch with the Family Tree DNA people or visited their web site?

From what you devulged, your DNA certainly did not originate in Europe. ie., I'd say that you are not European (not by your DNA).


"The J2 linage originated in the northern portion of the Fertile Crescent, from where it later spread troughout central Asia, the Mediterranean, and south into India. As with other populations with Mediterranean ancestry, this linage is found within Jewish populations".?

I got this out of a book I came across. Thought it might help.

Michael Friedman (mchl_friedman@yahoo.com)
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