I am appealing to those of you who are in the Joyce Project and who haven't joined the RL21 Project to please do so.
You will find it here -http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L21/
There is a lot of work being done by the people in this project to identify the subclades and families associated with them and through that the geographic origins. To date I am the only Joyce and feeling a bit lonely :)
So please join and let's see if we can get to the stage where we may be able to prove that Welsh Norman origins of our family.