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« on: April 15, 2016, 12:10:00 PM »

Hello,

Please look at the tree I (M-2) made with sharing a common ancestor with M-43 @ 1500AD.  Also showing a TMRCA at 1050AD with my closest known haplotypes, Mitchell, McCracken and Stabley.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mykki4xg4d47871/MCCL%2C%20MCCR%2C%20STA%2C%20MITCH%201050AD%20TMRCA.doc?dl=0

Bob McClure
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2016, 10:39:40 AM »

Just an invitation to anyone who is R-M269 (R1b1a2) predicted or R1b of any type to join the R1b project:
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r1b/about/background
A comparison service is also included with the R1b project.
Everyone’s STRs and SNPs included to see who they have good STR signature matches or GD matches with and see what SNP testing has already been done, facilitate and encourage good SNP testing decisions.

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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2016, 08:08:47 PM »

Some  testing reasoning as I understand understand.  R1b-M269 is the largest haplogroup in Europe so that's not much good for comparison.  DYS492 is the predictor for it.  99.9%.  492=12 would give a P312 pack test.  492=13 a U106, and 14 U152 or Z8.  They still won't narrow you down to within 200-300 years.  So you know your matches but not your branch.  For that you need BigY on sale from 575 to $460.  Check my advice with experts.   R1b for instance mentioned above.
Mercy
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2016, 01:54:40 AM »

Sorry for that post.
Let me put it another way for BigY (if that's realistic).
With a P312 test You would probably only see at what snp we split, like me and M-43 (~1500AD @ 10 G.D.), although that might be affordable.
A P312 pack may not show him his branch where his closer relations tie in (ie. "24" mutations at marker 447, that's providing they test too).
Although $99 regularly, that may be discounted further.
The BigY covering abt. 14,000,000 base pairs will come up with the terminal, novel and private SNPs of your branch.
You have to compare haplotypes.
The idea is to narrow down your haplogroup.
As an aside, if you notice the TMRCA for the non McClures (1st post) it seems we split from the Mitchells.
See the link for document for Michel McClure and John Lord Kennedy, 1st Earl Cassillis:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2og959v8mkr49o2/The%20Acts%20of%20the%20Lords%20Auditors%20of%20Causes.doc?dl=0

I'll hide for a year or so now.
Bob
P.S.  A P312
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2016, 03:03:14 AM »

Forgive me I forgot.
Do not, Do not test on your own.
I and my GD - 10 tested our own design Z253 pack (Z253 arose around 1734 BC) before the experts put these packages together, and at a much greater cost.
There is a Z253 pack offered by FTDNA.
I don't mean to sell anyone anything.
I just want to share what I know about deep clade testing.
We've all seen prices go down and they will continue to do that.
Contact me off line before you even consider a Z253 bundle or anything and I'll be sure to get an Admin to advise us.
If you buy the BigY, I'll consider you can afford it.
Nevertheless, if you do, expect me to sponsor a backbone test for a GD of 5-6 of yours, while the sale lasts.
If not I'll make a contribution to the McClure Project Fund.
Bob
mcclurera@yahoo.com
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