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« on: April 26, 2014, 06:17:28 AM »

My acquired cousin Fabrizio Federighi (N119866) is clearly R-M269 with 5 Sardinian SNPs: PF7558,PF7562,PF7563,PF7566,PF7569. He of course is negative for L23 and L49. Being positive for YSC0000072, it is clear that this SNP is upstream L23 and not downstream. It is at the same level of M269, not having found so far an R-M269* who were YSC0000072 negative. Of course the R1b1, both L388/L389 - and +, are negative.
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2014, 03:47:51 AM »

I order today the YSC0000072,i have not understand what is this numer , but ok..in more i order the full mtdna...
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2014, 03:43:51 PM »

I order today the YSC0000072,i have not understand what is this numer , but ok..in more i order the full mtdna...

Fega, if I remember well you were an "Albanian cluster". Now we know that you are not only L23+, L49+, but Z2103/Z2104/Z2105/Z2106/Z2107/Z2108/Z2109/Z2110+ but also S12460 (my final SNP) and your last SNP so far is CTS9219+.
YSC0000072 is ancestral to all these SNPs, thus you will be uselessly positive.
Why didn't you ask me before spending uselessly this money?
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2014, 04:31:39 PM »

Because i am 1 idiot...perche l'hanno messo sotto l 23,l 150 ho pensato che era una nuova spn..che ladri..in more they say that i am R M73 (R1b1a1) now...is impossible not ? How can I bee L -23 and R m - 73 in the same time? Absurd
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2014, 04:51:39 PM »

Because i am 1 idiot...perche l'hanno messo sotto l 23,l 150 ho pensato che era una nuova spn..che ladri..in more they say that i am R M73 (R1b1a1) now...is impossible not ? How can I bee L -23 and R m - 73 in the same time? Absurd

But Shakespeare said that there was a reason in that madness.
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2014, 05:00:20 PM »

If you had sent the money to me, I too could have done the test:

result: YCS0000072+
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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2014, 09:19:56 AM »

Fega albania, if you received this letter from FTDNA:

"Dear Group Administrators,
Thank you for all the feedback about the 2014 Haplotree! We appreciate your efforts on behalf of your groups.
We'll correct many of the issues you've brought to our attention over the next few days. In the meantime, we’ve temporarily turned off the SNP order recommendation feature, since it needs accurate results to make those recommendations. Note however, that although the recommendation program is turned off, downstream SNPs will still show as available for purchase. In addition, any customers who ordered inappropriate SNPs can have those orders transferred to appropriate SNPs or, if none are available, get a full refund.
Some of the issues that we'll be addressing include:
•Correcting the algorithm that assigned the haplogroup for the multi-locus markers (the .1, .2, .3 SNPs)
•Syncing data for users that tested with Geno 2.0
Please report any issues using the feedback form, choosing the "About the Y-tree" category. Include as much detail as you can including the kit number so we can thoroughly investigate.
While we understand there are some concerns regarding specific SNPs, we will review those on a case-by-case basis.
Thanks for your help!"

you could write to FTDNA and ask that they test another SNP instead of YSC0000072, completely useless.
You could test CTS9219, I think positive for all the "Balkan cluster" people, but it would be  useful to know it, and it would be so far your final SNP. Downstream it there are only the singleton SNPs from Big Y or Full Y, but we should wait for knowing more.

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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2014, 05:29:52 AM »

The scandal continues. These are the tested SNPs of Fabrizio Federighi:

    L483 L407 (tested positive) M269 (presumed positive) L500 L478 L773 L482 L265 (tested positive)
           L23 (presumed positive) L150 (tested positive)
                YSC0000072 (tested positive)
                           L51 (tested negative)

L23 doesn't appear tested and it is presumed positive, when we all know that these clusters (R-M269/PF7558/PF7562/PF7563 and Federighi also PF7566/PF7569) are L23 negative.
So the ambiguous L150 has become YSC0000072 like the final SNP, whereas we know that it is upstream L23.
                
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2014, 02:14:44 AM »

The R1b1a2 (P312- U106-) DNA Project (aka ht35 Project) has new and very accurate phylogenetic trees showing the proper relationship for most of these SNPs. To their credit, they don't list L150 or YSC0000072 at all.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new
 
The diagram doesn't appear correctly in Firefox but seems to be OK with Safari.
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2014, 03:42:49 AM »

The R1b1a2 (P312- U106-) DNA Project (aka ht35 Project) has new and very accurate phylogenetic trees showing the proper relationship for most of these SNPs. To their credit, they don't list L150 or YSC0000072 at all.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new
 
The diagram doesn't appear correctly in Firefox but seems to be OK with Safari.

I thank you, seferhabahir, but of course I did know those diagrams, and I could say that those trees were constructed above all by smal and me for R-L23 and above by me for R-L51 on Anthrogenica, before they suspended me for a month (I don't understand so far for what, if not for excluding before Semargl and later me from all the discussions).
In a first moment also a tree of R-M269 was published, with the two SNPs present in my acquired cousin Fabrizio Federighi (PF7566 and PF7569), thus by using his Geno 2.0, but after that tree was deleted.
I have just posted this on eng.molgen:

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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 11:44 pm
This I wrote on Anthrogenica:
1)
It seems clear to me from the PF SNPs classification, due to national Geographic upon Francalacci's data, that:
PF7558 3489974 3429974 no no yes no no G -> A
PF7559 6900580 6840580 no no no no no C -> G
PF7560 6914130 6854130 no no yes no no C -> T
PF7561 7742956 7682956 no no yes no no G -> A
PF7562 8012440 7952440 no no yes no no C -> T
PF7563 8670246 8610246 no no yes no no G -> A
PF7564 13973041 15463647 no no yes no no C -> T
PF7565 14306212 15796818 no no no no no C -> A
PF7566 14742512 16233118 no no yes no no G -> T
PF7567 15233918 16724524 no no no no no C -> T
PF7568 15446106 16936712 no no yes no no G -> A
PF7569 16674122 18164728 no no yes no no G -> A
PF7570 17082620 18573226 no no yes no no C -> T
PF7571 17497137 18987743 no no yes no no T -> C
PF7572 19765285 21305897 no no yes no no T -> C
PF7573 21120356 22710968 no no yes no no A -> G
these are R-M269 SNPs.

These
PF7574 8189109 8129109 no no no no no C -> T
PF7575 PF7575 Z2104 12677962 14167962 no no no no no C -> T
PF7576 12907993 14397986 no no yes no no G -> T
PF7577 14286425 15777031 no no yes no no G -> A
PF7578 15291267 16781873 no no no no no A -> T
PF7579 16004554 17495160 no no yes no no G -> T
PF7580 16195351 17685957 no no yes no no C -> A
PF7581 17809961 19300567 no no yes no no G -> T
PF7582 18046949 19537555 no no yes no no C -> A
PF7583 19778357 21318969 no no yes no no G -> T
PF7584 20494044 22034656 no no yes no no G -> T
PF7585 21493591 23084203 no no yes no no T -> C
PF7586 15426705 16917311 no no yes no no A -> G
PF7587 22891940 24482552 no no yes no no T -> C
are R-L23 SNPs.

These
PF7588 6813937 6753937 no no yes no no G -> A
PF7589 PF7589 Z2118 8127783 8067783 no no yes no no A -> G
PF7590 12609240 14099240 no no no no no C -> T
PF7591 20675701 22216313 no no yes no no C -> T
PF7592 CTS11824 PF7592 21706211 23296823 no no no no no G -> A
are R-L51 SNPs. (Of course amongst those found in the Sardinian pool).
[03-20-2014]

2)
PF7558 3489974 3429974 no no yes no no G -> A
PF7559 6900580 6840580 no no no no no C -> G
PF7560 6914130 6854130 no no yes no no C -> T
PF7561 7742956 7682956 no no yes no no G -> A
PF7562 8012440 7952440 no no yes no no C -> T
PF7563 8670246 8610246 no no yes no no G -> A
PF7564 13973041 15463647 no no yes no no C -> T
PF7565 14306212 15796818 no no no no no C -> A
PF7566 14742512 16233118 no no yes no no G -> T
PF7567 15233918 16724524 no no no no no C -> T
PF7568 15446106 16936712 no no yes no no G -> A
PF7569 16674122 18164728 no no yes no no G -> A
PF7570 17082620 18573226 no no yes no no C -> T
PF7571 17497137 18987743 no no yes no no T -> C
PF7572 19765285 21305897 no no yes no no T -> C
PF7573 21120356 22710968 no no yes no no A -> G

If we exclude
PF7559 6900580 6840580 no no no no no C -> G
PF7565 14306212 15796818 no no no no no C -> A
PF7567 15233918 16724524 no no no no no C -> T
not tested from Geno 2.0, we may begin to hypothesize a tree of R-M269*.
a)
PF7558 3489974 3429974 no no yes no no G -> A
PF7562 8012440 7952440 no no yes no no C -> T
PF7563 8670246 8610246 no no yes no no G -> A
(the cluster from the Balkans to the Isles)
b)
PF7566 14742512 16233118 no no yes no no G -> T
PF7569 16674122 18164728 no no yes no no G -> A
(the Tuscan cluster)
3)
all the other PF SNPs
(the Sardinian cluster).

At this point perhaps would be interesting to test LoPiccolo, I linked to the Sardinian cluster from his STRs values.

PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 6:09 am
SNPs tested positive in Federighi:
PF7558 3489974 3429974 no no yes no no G -> A A
PF7562 8012440 7952440 no no yes no no C -> T T
PF7563 8670246 8610246 no no yes no no G -> A A
PF7566 14742512 16233118 no no yes no no G -> T T
PF7569 16674122 18164728 no no yes no no G -> A A

SNPs tested negative in Federighi:
PF7560 6914130 6854130 no no yes no no C -> T C
PF7561 7742956 7682956 no no yes no no G -> A G
PF7564 13973041 15463647 no no yes no no C -> T C
PF7568 15446106 16936712 no no yes no no G -> A G
PF7570 17082620 18573226 no no yes no no C -> T C
PF7571 17497137 18987743 no no yes no no T -> C T
PF7572 19765285 21305897 no no yes no no T -> C T
PF7573 21120356 22710968 no no yes no no A -> G A

Of course also with these data may be constructed a tree of R-M269, and I have written a lot about the origin of this haplogroup.

   
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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2014, 06:27:02 AM »

If you had sent the money to me, I too could have done the test:

result: YCS0000072+

Results = YCS0000072+ ,negative,I do not understand anything.....
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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2014, 03:53:01 AM »


Results = YSC0000072+ ,negative,I do not understand anything.....

From Morley's tree.
2099 R1b1a2 110 L265/PF6431 0 [1354/1354], L1063/CTS8728/PF6480/S13 836 [1354/1354], M269/PF65170 [3307/3307], M520/PF641046, PF6399/S10275 [1354/1354],
PF6475/S17/YSC0000269/YSC0269 4
R2 [1354/1354], PF6485/S31230 [1354/1354] (between R1b1a2 and R1b1a2a: CTS859161 [1354/1354], CTS866569
[1354/1354], CTS108345 [1354/1354], L407/PF625225 [1353/1354], L482/PF64273 [1353/1354], L4834507 [1354/1354], L500/PF6481225 [1354/1354],
L773/PF6421/YSC0000276/YSC0276943 [1354/1354], L1350/PF6505/YSC0000225/YSC02250 [1354/1354], L1353/PF6489/YSC000029493 [1354/1354], PF62654186
[1354/1354], PF64091 [1354/1354], PF64116801 [1354/1354], PF6419/CTS623648 [1354/1354], PF642578 [1354/1354], PF6430834 [1354/1354], PF64328 [1354/1354],
PF643411 [1354/1354], PF64383 [1346/1354], PF6443988 [1354/1354], PF6454/CTS26642 [1354/1354], PF6455/F1794375 [1353/1354], PF6457/CTS3575565
[1354/1354], PF6469/CTS740017 [1354/1354], PF6470/CTS765987 [1354/1354], PF6482/YSC00002031 [1354/1354], PF64940 [1354/1354], PF649580 [1354/1354],
PF6496/YSC00002130 [1354/1354], PF6497/YSC0000219/YSC02191 [1354/1354], PF6500237 [1354/1354], PF65076 [1354/1354], PF650986 [1354/1354],
PF6520/CTS114684927 [1354/1354], PF6529/CTS1247881 [1354/1354], YSC0000072 [1354/1354], YSC000019411 [1354/1354])

Don't care if many numbers are doubled, I should work on it. These are the SNPs at the R-M269* level. Amongst them there is YSC0000072. Look at the line of the tree: 2099.

You are R-CTS9219:
2188 R1b1a2a2–1 Z2110/CTS7822  [15/15]
2189 247019 GB-E, 272057, N115176, N29277
2190 R1b1a2a2–1–1 F672
2191 108347 GB-E
2192 R1b1a2a2–1–2 CTS9219 [10/10]

THUS you are positive for all the SNPs above. Look at the line: 2192. How many lines are in between?

If you are negative as to FTDNA for YSC0000072 this is due either to a back mutation (very unlikely) or to a mistake of FTDNA. Anyway this isn't worth at all for your tree: you are R-CTS9219.
FTDNA found Mattoli negative for L277: I paid 49$ for this. They are completely unreliable.

Write to the administrator of your project (ht 35 FTDNA project), but write to smal (Sergey Malyshev) not to the others. He will certainly explain to you which is the matter.
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