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lilphoenix
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« on: March 07, 2014, 04:19:30 PM »

I have my Dad's Genographic 2.O results.   He is most interested in his paternal line.

The results are:
M42>M168>M89>P128>M45>M207>P231>M343>L278>P310>L21.    He is an African American male.

What should my next steps be?  I keep seeing references to additional testing.  What information does the additional testing provide?  He had his maternal testing done as part of the Genographic 2.0.

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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2014, 10:50:48 AM »

Update:

I went to the ISOGG tree and his marker is R1b1a2a1a2c.    I'll look for a project with these markers.
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2014, 04:20:01 PM »

I hope you won't be disapointed to learn R1b-L21 is a Western European haplogroup originally mainly present (> 25 % of population) in Scotland, Ireland, Wales, North and West of England and French Brittany.
It is the case of about 10% of Afro-Americans and some  are unhappy because their patrilinear direct lineage is not African, even if the great majority of their ancestor lineages are African.
See http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R1b-L21

Here is an active L21 forum :
http://www.anthrogenica.com/forumdisplay.php?121-R1b-L21

Chromo2 of Britainsdna seems a good product to improve your result, but contact L21 project first

 Nice haplotree of L21 subclades to http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L21/
and read in the same page how to join the L21 project group .

Does  Geno2 give you negative  value  for any L21 marker of subclade, verify with the haplotree ?

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Y=G2a3b1a2-L497 Wallony-Charleroi; Mt=H2a2a1 Normandy-Bray
Dodecad-DiY: E Eur 9,25% W Eur 48,48% Med 28,46% W Asia 11,70%
World9: Atl-Balt 67,61% Southern 13,23% Cauc-Gedr 12,73%
K12a: North-E 39,71% Med 37,9% Cauc 12,55% Gedr 5,78% SW Asia 2,13%
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2014, 04:07:22 PM »

No disappointment at all.   When we did the swab, my Dad believed that his ancient ancestors were from Asia Minor.  It shows on his dna migratory past so he is satisfied with being partly right!
 
For his maternal side, he is L3b1a.  For many African Americans, genealogy hits a brick wall around 1860.  Having another surprise, such as a genetic route outside of African can be frustrating.  Most people know/accept that there is most likely some European ancestry for African Americans.

I will have him join the familytreedna R-L21 project. 

What is considered a negative value for any L21 marker of subclade?  How would I verify this?  I have the raw data files.


 

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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2014, 01:31:15 PM »

No disappointment at all.   When we did the swab, my Dad believed that his ancient ancestors were from Asia Minor.  It shows on his dna migratory past so he is satisfied with being partly right!
 
For his maternal side, he is L3b1a.  For many African Americans, genealogy hits a brick wall around 1860.  Having another surprise, such as a genetic route outside of African can be frustrating.  Most people know/accept that there is most likely some European ancestry for African Americans.

I will have him join the familytreedna R-L21 project. 

What is considered a negative value for any L21 marker of subclade?  How would I verify this?  I have the raw data files.



There are the markers of the L21 haplotree that Geno2.0 tested and found they are negative for your father.
Know the negative results will help to know the haplotree branches without interest for your future searches. 

If you have raw data files, some could help you in the L21 project, they are always interested by adding  new members to their researches.

mt L3b1a : see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L3_(mtDNA)
which gives L3b in West Africa.
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Y=G2a3b1a2-L497 Wallony-Charleroi; Mt=H2a2a1 Normandy-Bray
Dodecad-DiY: E Eur 9,25% W Eur 48,48% Med 28,46% W Asia 11,70%
World9: Atl-Balt 67,61% Southern 13,23% Cauc-Gedr 12,73%
K12a: North-E 39,71% Med 37,9% Cauc 12,55% Gedr 5,78% SW Asia 2,13%
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