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« on: October 28, 2013, 07:56:12 AM »

I thought I would set up a new thread in this new L21 subforum to discuss DF41 and its subclades, which may be expanding with the advent of Chromo2 and Full Y Genome testing.
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2013, 08:45:34 AM »

Since no one has posted in this thread yet, beyond my opening post, I figured I would go ahead and start off by mentioning DF41's one famous line, the Stewarts.

The Royal House of Stewart, the family of some very famous past occupants of the thrones of Scotland and of England, is DF41+ (L21>DF13>DF41>L745). Richard Scott, the 10th Duke of Buccleuch, tested positive for DF41 and L745 with ScotlandsDNA. He is a direct y-dna descendant of King Charles II and matches another Stewart who is the direct y-dna descendant of Charles Stewart of Ardshiel, who fought at the Battle of Culloden.

The Stewarts are supposed to be descended from Alan Fitz Flaad, an 11th-century Breton knight.

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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2013, 09:46:59 AM »

Thus far, only one person in my haplotype cluster has had the Geno 2.0 test: Self, kit 53479. His test turned up a SNP that so far is unique to him: PF6093.

I was checking the Geno 2.0 web site yesterday evening and discovered that my dad's sample has been received and his test is 20% complete. That was welcome news. I was beginning to wonder, since my dad mailed his sample in on Tuesday, 29 October.

Anyway, my dad will be the second person in our haplotype cluster to do the Geno 2.0 test. If he comes up positive for PF6093, that could mean it characterizes the entire cluster, since Self is, as I recall, about 12 away at 67 markers and even further off at 111.

If, on the other hand, my dad is negative for PF6093, that could mean that PF6093 is private or that it splits our cluster, with the branch that Self, Cooper, and Dugger are on positive for PF6093 and the rest of us negative for it.

Time will tell.
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2013, 08:20:45 PM »

I mentioned on another thread that I got my Chromo2 results this past Monday. Among them were S524+ (DF41+) and S836+ (CTS2501+).

Good to have those confirmed by two separate and independent dna testing companies (FTDNA and BritainsDNA).

Now I am hoping some new ones south of DF41 will be revealed.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2013, 08:57:03 AM »

Two things:

First, we got a new DF41+ a couple of days ago, Tuite, kit 270089. His mdka is from County Louth, Ireland, and Paul informs us that Tuite is a Norman surname.

Second, I picked up a new 35/37 match: Stevens (my surname), kit 312416. He is the cousin of a 106/111 match of mine, so the match should not have been a surprise, except that I last heard from the man back in June, so I forgot it might be coming.

His mdka was born in Maryland sometime in the late 18th century.
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2013, 08:55:16 AM »

I'm anxious to compare my Chromo2 y-dna results with someone, but the only two DF41 guys I know of who ordered the Chromo2 test are not in my cluster, so I am not sure how informative their results might be.
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2013, 10:55:45 AM »

Here's a list of Chromo2 SNPs for which I am positive that are apparently downstream of DF13/S521. I do not yet know which if any of them is downstream of DF41/S524. Keith Wheeler and I developed this list by comparing my list of positives to his. Keith is DF13+/S521+ but negative so far for everything known that is downstream of DF13.

S1415
S1416
S1417
S19739
S27730
S5025
S524 (DF41)
S836 (CTS2501)
S839
S8587
S9189
Z2032
Z2069


I'm hoping there is something of value there. Now I am just waiting for someone who is DF41+/S524+ to get his Chromo2 results. Then we can compare.
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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2013, 04:34:35 PM »

Here's a list of Chromo2 SNPs for which I am positive that are apparently downstream of DF13/S521. I do not yet know which if any of them is downstream of DF41/S524. Keith Wheeler and I developed this list by comparing my list of positives to his. Keith is DF13+/S521+ but negative so far for everything known that is downstream of DF13.

S1415
S1416
S1417
S19739
S27730
S5025
S524 (DF41)
S836 (CTS2501)
S839
S8587
S9189
Z2032
Z2069


I'm hoping there is something of value there. Now I am just waiting for someone who is DF41+/S524+ to get his Chromo2 results. Then we can compare.

I have it on good authority that none of those SNPs is likely to be private, since they were chosen to be part of the Chromo2 test based on analyses of samples other than my own. In other words, they were found in testing men who were, as far as we know, not close relatives of mine.
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2013, 07:05:27 PM »

Angus MacMillan, kit 47694, got his list of positive SNPs from the Chromo2 test today. He has yet to receive his complete raw y-dna file. I compared his list of positives to mine and came up with the following.

What I have that Angus does not:
S1415+ S1416+ S1417+ S19739+ S27730+ S5025+ S8587+ S9189+ Z2032+ Z2069+

There are a couple of others, CTS11226+ CTS7206+ , but I am guessing that Angus got "no-calls" on those, since they are not unique to DF41. We have to wait for his complete raw results, however, before we can check on those.

What Angus has that I do not:
CTS1414+ CTS1549+ CTS1865+ CTS9200+ CTS927+ PF4655+ S10266+ S22429+ S2906+ S3126+ S3826+ S6375+ S7058+ S8620+ S8645+ S8649+ S8701+ S8705+ S8714+ S8742+ S8751+ V41+

CTS9200 and V41 were "no-calls" for me. They appear to be upstream of S116/P312. I am negative for the rest, so those belong to Angus.
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2013, 07:06:32 PM »

Angus MacMillan, kit 47694, got his list of positive SNPs from the Chromo2 test today. He has yet to receive his complete raw y-dna file. I compared his list of positives to mine and came up with the following.

What I have that Angus does not:
S1415+ S1416+ S1417+ S19739+ S27730+ S5025+ S8587+ S9189+ Z2032+ Z2069+

There are a couple of others, CTS11226+ CTS7206+ , but I am guessing that Angus got "no-calls" on those, since they are not unique to DF41. We have to wait for his complete raw results, however, before we can check on those.

What Angus has that I do not:
CTS1414+ CTS1549+ CTS1865+ CTS9200+ CTS927+ PF4655+ S10266+ S22429+ S2906+ S3126+ S3826+ S6375+ S7058+ S8620+ S8645+ S8649+ S8701+ S8705+ S8714+ S8742+ S8751+ V41+

CTS9200 and V41 were "no-calls" for me. They appear to be upstream of S116/P312. I am negative for the rest, so those belong to Angus.


It looks like S1415+ S1416+ S1417+ might be unreliable, since they also show up in the results of Halligan, kit 143812, who is L1335+>L1065+ (S530+>S749+) and, of course, DF41-. S8587+ also shows up in Halligan's results and in those of Le Gall (who is Z253+>Z2534+), so it isn't likely to be unique to me either. I share Z2032+ with MacMillan (Bruce, who is L1065+, not Angus), kit 48461, so that one also appears to have been eliminated, as well.


So, what's left to me thus far?


S19739+ S27730+ S5025+ S9189+ Z2069+


That's it! I hope at least some of that survives further scrutiny!
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