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« on: October 26, 2013, 10:54:21 PM »

Well, I have a new something to hope about: a Family Finder match with a man who has the same surname as I, has not yet been y-dna tested, and has a paper trail back to a mdka who was born in 1603 and who died in Connecticut in 1670. I'm guessing that's the immigrant.

Anyway, I shouldn't get my hopes up, but I emailed the man and asked him to consider a y-dna test, even if just a 12-marker test. Obviously, if we match on y-dna, the FF relationship is, at least in part, on our shared surname line.

Our FF match is 47.77 cM, which is not too bad.

Man, I hope he orders a test and we get a match!

Do things that good actually happen?
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2013, 06:24:22 PM »

You have a few off-modal markers in the the first 12 so it should help considerably.

390, 385b, and 439 especially 385b.

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Pos: Z245 L459 L21 DF13**
Neg: DF23 L513 L96 L144 Z255 Z253 DF21 DF41 (Z254 P66 P314.2 M37 M222  L563 L526 L226 L195 L193 L192.1 L159.2 L130 DF63 DF5 DF49)
WTYNeg: L555 L371 (L9/L10 L370 L302/L319.1 L554 L564 L577 P69 L626 L627 L643 L679)
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2013, 03:54:17 AM »

You have a few off-modal markers in the the first 12 so it should help considerably.

390, 385b, and 439 especially 385b.

MJost

Thanks, Mark. I haven't heard from my FF match yet, so I am beginning to wonder if he is interested.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2013, 08:16:17 PM »

Aarrgghh! Another disappointment. The man has in fact been y-dna tested. We don't match. Blah.
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2013, 07:44:10 AM »

Aarrgghh! Another disappointment. The man has in fact been y-dna tested. We don't match. Blah.

Actually, this y-dna match failure just reinforces what I had thought: my y-dna immigrant was probably not from New England. I read in the book Albion's Seed awhile back that most of the Puritan immigrants to New England came from East Anglia. Although East Anglia is not entirely devoid of L21, its frequency is relatively low there compared with the western parts of the Isles. My Washburn line was Puritan, came from that region, and is I-M253 (I know from cousins who have tested). That makes sense, because East Anglia was heavily settled by Anglo-Saxons.

My own subclade of L21, DF41, has not yet been found east of Wiltshire, which is in western England.

So, since this FF match of mine has a y-dna mdka who settled in Guilford, Connecticut, in the mid-17th century, it is not surprising that we do not match on y-dna. I'm thinking my own immigrant may have been a Welsh Quaker who settled in Pennsylvania, but that's just a guess; I don't know for sure.
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2013, 03:28:04 PM »

Aarrgghh! Another disappointment. The man has in fact been y-dna tested. We don't match. Blah.

DANG! Not good news. I assume you have worked your way back a far as possible through the Census' to narrow down the most distant geographical area your paternal line is recorded as living in?

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Pos: Z245 L459 L21 DF13**
Neg: DF23 L513 L96 L144 Z255 Z253 DF21 DF41 (Z254 P66 P314.2 M37 M222  L563 L526 L226 L195 L193 L192.1 L159.2 L130 DF63 DF5 DF49)
WTYNeg: L555 L371 (L9/L10 L370 L302/L319.1 L554 L564 L577 P69 L626 L627 L643 L679)
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2013, 10:27:19 AM »

Aarrgghh! Another disappointment. The man has in fact been y-dna tested. We don't match. Blah.

DANG! Not good news. I assume you have worked your way back a far as possible through the Census' to narrow down the most distant geographical area your paternal line is recorded as living in?

MJost

Yes, I did that years ago.

The family lived in the Northern Panhandle of West Virginia and in western Pennsylvania and eastern Ohio before moving south to northern Louisiana sometime around 1845.
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2013, 02:46:39 PM »

I am in the process of getting a YDNA 67 marker test for my aDNA predicted 3rd cousin's cousin who's fathers lineage is from the Isle of Man who came to the US pre-American Revolution with two of his brothers and parents. I hope to prove that he has a close GD to me and my best GD5/111 match and similar GD8/111 'ish from my second best YDNA match across the pond on the IOM.

As you know, I actually have this 3rd cousin and a 4th (younger generation) cousin match that have a MRCA via two brothers born in Alabama in the 1870's with their father born in Jackson County Georgia in the mid to late 1830's. This man has two previous generations born or living in the same area around 1800. And my best GD match, who has a brick wall back five generations in the same county, born 1824.  I now have another person with ties in Alabama to a different brother, one of the original three, who went via North Carolina and then to a different county in Alabama.

The 3rd cousin and her mother and I have the same Chr1 segment that has a non-European aDNA and the 4th cousin has a similar percent overall as per 23andme which would be from a MRCA back in the middle 1700's.

Keeping my fingers crossed for this YDNA test will cement my paternal lineage to this known surname.

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Pos: Z245 L459 L21 DF13**
Neg: DF23 L513 L96 L144 Z255 Z253 DF21 DF41 (Z254 P66 P314.2 M37 M222  L563 L526 L226 L195 L193 L192.1 L159.2 L130 DF63 DF5 DF49)
WTYNeg: L555 L371 (L9/L10 L370 L302/L319.1 L554 L564 L577 P69 L626 L627 L643 L679)
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2013, 09:26:30 AM »

I am in the process of getting a YDNA 67 marker test for my aDNA predicted 3rd cousin's cousin who's fathers lineage is from the Isle of Man who came to the US pre-American Revolution with two of his brothers and parents. I hope to prove that he has a close GD to me and my best GD5/111 match and similar GD8/111 'ish from my second best YDNA match across the pond on the IOM.

As you know, I actually have this 3rd cousin and a 4th (younger generation) cousin match that have a MRCA via two brothers born in Alabama in the 1870's with their father born in Jackson County Georgia in the mid to late 1830's. This man has two previous generations born or living in the same area around 1800. And my best GD match, who has a brick wall back five generations in the same county, born 1824.  I now have another person with ties in Alabama to a different brother, one of the original three, who went via North Carolina and then to a different county in Alabama.

The 3rd cousin and her mother and I have the same Chr1 segment that has a non-European aDNA and the 4th cousin has a similar percent overall as per 23andme which would be from a MRCA back in the middle 1700's.

Keeping my fingers crossed for this YDNA test will cement my paternal lineage to this known surname.

MJost

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Sounds good. I hope it works out well for you and you strike paydirt.
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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2013, 03:37:18 PM »

Thx I will have some more figurin' to do if it does strike out....

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148326
Pos: Z245 L459 L21 DF13**
Neg: DF23 L513 L96 L144 Z255 Z253 DF21 DF41 (Z254 P66 P314.2 M37 M222  L563 L526 L226 L195 L193 L192.1 L159.2 L130 DF63 DF5 DF49)
WTYNeg: L555 L371 (L9/L10 L370 L302/L319.1 L554 L564 L577 P69 L626 L627 L643 L679)
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