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Maliclavelli
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« on: October 30, 2013, 05:02:19 AM »



        298933 Haddad (Youssef Abdalla Haddad, 1877-1945) Lebanon R1b1a2
        13 23 14 11 12-12 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 9-9 11 11 26 15 19 31 12-12-15-17 10 11 19-23 15 17 17 17 35-37 12 11

        Glad you have written to me. I have spoken a lot about your haplotype, and my thinking is that it isn't R-M269, but probably R-V88+. I have found many mistakes and from so long about the FTDNA tests, one is yours. Even though your haplotype isn't in line with other R-V88+, for instance DYS454=11 and not 12, but you have many markers values in line with the R-V88+:
        DYS385=12-12
        DYS464=12-12-15-17
        DYS438=11.
        I think it would be interesting to test you farther, for instance by Geno 2.0, which would be the best, or the à la carte V88, and if you were positive (+), it would demonstrate you aren't M269+.
        There is also the possibility that you are R1a* (M420*), for that I think that to test Geno 2.0 would be the first choice. If you want, we could promote a subscription I could participate to. If you were confirmed M269*, the thing would be extremely interesting for our haplogroup history.
        Let me know. In this case your haplotype could be ancient in Middle East and wouldn't presuppose a recent European origin.

        Kind Regards, Gioiello Tognoni (Rathna)

        P.S. I'll post this on the forum, because it has a scientific meaning for we all and this could awaken to your case.

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MtDNA: K1a1b1e

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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2013, 05:46:51 AM »

The unique close samples I found on YHRD with DYS438=11 are these:
1    14    13    29    23    11    13    13    12,13    11    11    15    18    15    15    24    12    -1    -1    -1    -1    -1    -1    SRY10831.2    R-SRY10831.2 (Aliases: R-M448, R-M459, R-M516; YCC: R1a1)    >>
1    14    13    29    23    11    13    13    12,13    11    12    15    18    15    15    24    12    19    28    12    12    15    10    SRY10831.2    R-SRY10831.2 (Aliases: R-M448, R-M459, R-M516; YCC: R1a1)    >>
1    14    13    29    23    11    13    13    12,13    11    12    15    18    15    15    24    12    21    27    12    12    15    10    SRY10831.2    R-SRY10831.2 (Aliases: R-M448, R-M459, R-M516; YCC: R1a1)    >>
Two are these:
1 of 601    Rostock, Germany [German]    Eurasian - European - Western European    Europe
1 of 218    Finland [Finnish]    Eurasian - Uralic-Yukaghir    Europe
and probably, given their origin, it is reliable this time the hg R1a1.
The other with DYS439=11 is this:
1 of 623    Stuttgart, Germany [German]    Eurasian - European - Western European    Europe

If so, an European origin amongst the Christian Lebanese becomes possible again.
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