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« on: June 10, 2013, 12:46:22 PM »

Hi :)

I have just received the first set of results for a Y-DNA test, taken by a male cousin, in order to find out more about my maternal grandfather's ancestry (12 markers).

Eventually, I should receive 37 marker results, but I have noticed that, sometimes, individual markers can yield interesting information, if knowledgeable people take a look at them and I just wondered if there was anything intriguing, exciting or unusual about our results so far, please. (According to our research, this family came from Worcestershire, UK.)

The results so far:

DYS393 = 12
DYS390 = 24
DYS19** = 14
DYS391 = 10
DYS385 = 13-16
DYS426 = 11
DYS388 = 15
DYS439 = 13
DYS389I = 12
DYS392 = 11
DYS389II*** = 28

Thank you :)
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2013, 05:43:45 PM »

It would seem a haplogroup J, perhaps ancient in Western Europe. Let us see the other markers.
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2013, 08:07:56 PM »

Hi Maliclavelli :)

Thanks.

I'll post the rest when they arrive and see what can be found out.

Exciting!
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2013, 01:18:01 AM »

It seems a J2b2 and matches many Bailey from the Isles.
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2013, 10:43:41 AM »

That's interesting. :)

I've never heard of the Baileys from the Isles, though. 

As far as I have been able to check, our line is named 'Hampton'.
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2013, 10:54:16 AM »

I have to wait about another month for my 37 marker results.

Are there any particular SNPs that are specifically worth checking for Haplogroup J?
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2013, 12:30:15 PM »

Are there any particular SNPs that are specifically worth checking for Haplogroup J?

Amongst the first twelve above all DYS388=15.
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2013, 09:55:59 AM »

Hi All :)

Hi Maliclavelli :)

Thank you for your help and your interest.

I'm intrigued. What is special about DYS388=15?

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Anyway, I have now received more results, but ~ strangely I think ~ I have not yet been given a Haplogroup???

Anyway, here is the full list to 37 markers that we have had tested so far:

DYS393 = 12

DYS390 = 24

DYS19** = 14

DYS391 = 10

DYS385 = 13-16

DYS426 = 11

DYS388 = 15

DYS439 = 13

DYS389I = 12

DYS392 = 11

DYS389II*** = 28

DYS458 = 16

DYS459 = 8-9

DYS455 = 11

DYS454 = 11

DYS447 = 27

DYS437 = 16

DYS448 = 19

DYS449 = 28

DYS464 = 13-15-15-17

DYS460 = 11

Y-GATA-H4 = 10

YCAII = 19-20

DYS456   = 13

DYS607 = 14

DYS576   = 16

DYS570 = 17

CDY = 36-38   

DYS442 = 12

DYS438 = 9

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According to my results page I am still awaiting :

Y-DNA37   Prediction       
Y-HAP-Backbone   Backbone


I am guessing that 'prediction' might relate to the Haplogroup, but I don't know, and I  have no idea what 'backbone' means. :(

I would be extremely grateful for any thoughts on this information, which I could share with my family.

Thank you!!! :)
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2013, 10:23:45 AM »

I put your relative's data to ySearch and I have updated them now: ID 9MD74, nickname Triscia. Of course when he puts his data I'll delete mine. You can see that he matches closely Bailey and Burchfield, that he is J2b2, and matches also some Italians. This haplogroup is in Western Europe from many thousands of years and probably arrived in the Isles just from Italy or anyway from the Balkans.
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2013, 12:10:31 PM »

Thanks, Maliclavelli. :)

I have now completed the automatic transfer of details from FTDNA to Y-Search.

However, 389 -II didn't complete for some reason, so don't delete yours yet, as it's more correct than my own at present.

Also, I don't understand why I have both 19 and 19b completed.
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2013, 01:00:23 PM »

Thanks, Maliclavelli. :)

I have now completed the automatic transfer of details from FTDNA to Y-Search.

However, 389 -II didn't complete for some reason, so don't delete yours yet, as it's more correct than my own at present.

Also, I don't understand why I have both 19 and 19b completed.

Sometime DYS19 has two values and not only one,thus  there are DYS19a and DYS19b. You  may be careful to the values communicated by FTDNA.
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2013, 01:04:23 PM »

Thanks.
The rest seem ok, but I'll double check.

Why do you think that they need to do a backbone test?
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2013, 01:17:14 PM »

Thanks.
The rest seem ok, but I'll double check.

Why do you think that they need to do a backbone test?

For being sure about the haplogroup, but I bet that this sample will come out J2b2. It is very close to J2b/M102. But at this point it would be more interesting Geno 2.0 for seeing if there are other SNPs downstream.
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2013, 01:44:16 PM »

Hi again. :)

I decided against the Geno 2.0 in the end ~ for now, anyway.

Instead, I have attempted to get all of my great grandparents' lines tested (Y-DNA for males and MtDNA for females) along with an FT DNA autosomal test, for which my brother will be providing the DNA.

Any useful SNPs can be tested later as add-ons. Is there a specific one that you would recommend for these results?
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2013, 02:30:40 PM »

Hi again. :)

I decided against the Geno 2.0 in the end ~ for now, anyway.

Instead, I have attempted to get all of my great grandparents' lines tested (Y-DNA for males and MtDNA for females) along with an FT DNA autosomal test, for which my brother will be providing the DNA.

Any useful SNPs can be tested later as add-ons. Is there a specific one that you would recommend for these results?

This is the tree of J2b:         
 J2b   L282, M12, M102, M221, M314/PF4939
              J2b*   -
              J2b1   M205
              J2b2   M241
                  J2b2*   -
                  J2b2a   L283
                       J2b2a*   -
                       J2b2a1   Z1296
                           J2b2a1*   -
                           J2b2a1a   Z1297, Z1298
                                J2b2a1a*   -
                                J2b2a1a1   Z631, Z639
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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2013, 06:47:01 PM »

Thank you, Maliclavelli :)

I'm a novice at this, so I need to rely on those who really understand the subject, but I'll look into it further when I have all of the information back :)
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2013, 12:04:30 PM »

Hi again :)

I've just been reading up on the J Haplogroup and I'm quite amazed:
http://www.genebase.com/learning/article/8

Our family name for this line is 'Hampton' ~ a real Anglo-Saxon name, and, as far as we can tell from Census records, our earliest known relative, William Hampton, was from Worcestershire, a county in the centre of England.

The idea that he must have descended from one of a handful of people who came from the Middle East, and may have strong links with the Balkans, is a real surprise.

That his Welsh great grandson should then have married a Welsh woman with ancestors who may have come from the same area as his ancestors ~ ie the Balkans ~ is too coincidental for words :) :)
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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2013, 07:31:24 PM »

Hi :)

I have just found my confirmed Haplogroup on FT DNA.

It's: J-M172


I could now test one of these SNPs, which are both available to me on FT DNA:

M410 !

M12 !
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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2013, 05:39:42 AM »

Hi :)

I have just found my confirmed Haplogroup on FT DNA.

It's: J-M172


I could now test one of these SNPs, which are both available to me on FT DNA:

M410 !

M12 !


I said that it is probably J2b2, then don't waste money! M410 is useless because it is J2a. M12 is J2b, but you could test à la carte M241 and to spend less. Below J2b2/M241 there are J2b2a/L283 and J2b2a1/Z1296, J2b2a1a/Z1297/Z1298, J2b2a1a1/Z631/Z639.
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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2013, 09:23:52 PM »

Right, well I'll probably check M241 next for this sample, then :)

I have other samples being tested, too, so not sure when.
(I'm currently trying to sort out the usefulness of my Mum's mitochondrial DNA result, too :) )
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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2013, 10:20:40 AM »

I ordered this test and the result should be back by mid October.
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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2013, 07:53:28 AM »

Ok, results in! :)

Haplogroup: M172 (On printable certificate it says: J2)

M172+, M241+ both tested positive.

If M241+ is positive, then that, I assume, is the confirmation that my Haplogroup is J2b2, but that's not on the certificate. Any idea why that would be the case, please?
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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2013, 07:59:10 AM »

I read this on Wikipedia - is it reliable, please?

'In human genetics, Haplogroup J-M172[Phylogenetics 1] is a Y-chromosome haplogroup which is a subclade (branch) of haplogroup J-P209.[Phylogenetics 2] J-M172 can be classified as Mediterranean/Aegean (Di Giacomo, 2004), Greco-Anatolian, Mesopotamian and/or Caucasian and is linked to the earliest indigenous populations of Anatolia and the Aegean. It was carried by Bronze Age immigrants to Europe, and ultimately descends from the Cro-Magnon population (IJ-M429 Y-DNA) within the region spanning eastern Turkey and Persia around 35,000 years ago.
It is further divided into two complementary clades, J-M410 and J-M12 (M12, M102, M221, M314).'


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M172
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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2013, 07:51:38 AM »

Maximus (I guess a russian)  was the specialist of J2b in http://eng.molgen.org/viewforum.php?f=128

J2b tree :
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Isg4fVz1k6-wbMW7mgzT0KG8eKRMJBFeLJeR_2a9J6g/edit?pli=1

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/m102/

For what I know, J2b was probably born in Near/East/Anatolia, but it knows its first important expansion in Thessalia and North Greece with the first Old Neolithic about 7000-6000BC, knew an expansion towards Ukraine and Russia, but less important than the other balkanic hgs like E-V13 and I1a2-M423. but  from there, it seems following the IE expansion towards Central and South Asia where it is  not frequent but present.    

See also http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J2_Y-DNA.shtml#J2b

Outside India/South Asia maybe,  I see a very parallelisme with E1b1b-V13, probably already mixed in the first Neolithics of Greece (without  Crete(J2a)) and Balkans.
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Y=G2a3b1a2-L497 Wallony-Charleroi; Mt=H2a2a1 Normandy-Bray
Dodecad-DiY: E Eur 9,25% W Eur 48,48% Med 28,46% W Asia 11,70%
World9: Atl-Balt 67,61% Southern 13,23% Cauc-Gedr 12,73%
K12a: North-E 39,71% Med 37,9% Cauc 12,55% Gedr 5,78% SW Asia 2,13%
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« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2013, 06:01:16 AM »

Thank you, palamede. I'll have a look at those references :)
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