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gunslingingardener
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« on: May 07, 2013, 12:59:40 PM »

I'm trying to find out more about R1b1b2a1a2d3, aka U152 L2+, Alpine Celtic.

It matches with my theory that Sir Osborn Gardner is my ancestor. My DNA seems to start off in the Alps, move towards France, then the Gardners were in Israel during the Crusades, later being granted land in England.

The history channel and historians credit the Vikings with way too much. They even have a tv show on the history channel now about them. Here is something I found on Celts vs. Vikings on some forum.

I think the Celts from the Alps were later hired by the Romans as cavalry, moving into France and England.


The Celts from the Alps and modern day Austria and southern Germania were very fierce, they invaded Greece (Dorians) and Italy. Rome finally pacified them after many struggles. It seems they were related with Roman and that settled things.

The Gauls (Celt culture), (the French), they fell in one Campaign, well, they were French..

Picts, fierce fighters, the Roman could never conquer them.

Celtic-Iberians, Romans fiercest enemies (Numantia).


As to the Vikings, they were very intrepid thiefs that always attacked by surprise, whenever they faced a serious enemy, they were always vanquished. They had no honour, and they could be easely bought. Their women were beautiful and a great asset in their exchanges.

They were just pirates.

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/history/703300-so-who-do-you-think-were.html#ixzz2SctBhs4x
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2013, 01:07:28 PM »

Out of curiosity have you actually got round to doing any DNA testing now ?
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2013, 03:16:21 PM »

Sounds like L2 is getting credit for way too much.
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2013, 07:12:15 PM »

Yes, my dna is R1b1b2a1a2d3, aka U152 L2+

Have you?

And L2 is likely from the Celts, but possibly the Romans.
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2013, 07:28:38 PM »

Yes, my dna is R1b1b2a1a2d3, aka U152 L2+

Have you?

And L2 is likely from the Celts, but possibly the Romans.

At last : )

and yes, they're in my tag
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